From louis.desjardins at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 14:24:00 2008
From: louis.desjardins at gmail.com (Louis Desjardins)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:24:00 -0400
Subject: [scribus-dev] XPress 8 and Scribus
Message-ID: <2d2f36360806020524v2e921735k836aeb4296bd4755@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Team,

Quark has announced XPress 8 at Drupa.

http://8.quark.com/

I don't know if it's my imagination or because of a too much
Scribus-centered vision but I believe these guys are really reading with
much attention our mailing list and the bugtracker. Or it's by chance that
they come up with some of our ideas...

Among others: http://8.quark.com/designer-driven_typography.html

Have a look.

Louis
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From craig at postnewspapers.com.au  Mon Jun  2 14:52:41 2008
From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:52:41 +0800
Subject: [scribus-dev] XPress 8 and Scribus
In-Reply-To: <2d2f36360806020524v2e921735k836aeb4296bd4755@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2d2f36360806020524v2e921735k836aeb4296bd4755@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4843ED19.9060702@postnewspapers.com.au>

Louis Desjardins wrote:
> Hi Team,
> 
> Quark has announced XPress 8 at Drupa.
> 
> http://8.quark.com/
> 
> I don't know if it's my imagination or because of a too much
> Scribus-centered vision but I believe these guys are really reading with
> much attention our mailing list and the bugtracker. Or it's by chance that
> they come up with some of our ideas...

Well, Scribus does have a very relevant user base. While many use Linux,
far from all do, and it seems that many Scribus users:

- are outside the US/UK/Au region where Quark is totally dominant;
- are mostly new DTP users not people migrating from other tools;
- tend to participate more and make suggestions/contribute ideas;
- if they're not new to DTP have experience with many or unusual
publishing tools

In particular, from a commercial point of view the "new to DTP" group
must be very interesting. Additionally, more expert users' comments,
requests and suggestions must be very interesting when viewed with a
view to attracting those people (who may be leaders when it comes to
tool/app selection for large deployments sooner or later) to a
particular product.

As far as I'm concerned if Quark picks up on ideas on the mailing lists
or in Scribus and implements then they're improving the whole industry
(and it needs it!). I'd much prefer them to borrow good ideas rather
than twiddle their thumbs (think Quark 5 & 6) or pull useless but flashy
feature ideas out of thin air.

However, it's also worth noting that Quark has busy forums and lots of
contact with DTP users, many of whom will be thinking along similar
lines to people here. A feature appearing in Quark doesn't really say
anything about its conceptual origins.

After all, it's hard to deny that Quark draws from ideas in previous DTP
apps. Scribus in turn draws some of its broad UI themes and capabilities
from DTP efforts prior to its creation. The more of this there is going
around the better off everyone is - and it's not like Scribus has
commercial interests to "protect".

I happen to personally loathe Quark as a company and my opinions of
their product were unprintable until version 7.3, whereupon they improve
to merely unimpressed and frustrated. If I contributed some useful idea
or feature (the latter being somewhat unlikely these days) that'd make
my life easier and Quark adapted the idea to implement it in the next
version I'd be pleased rather than annoyed. Nicking the code, now that'd
be a different matter.

--
Craig Ringer



From geoff at geoffhutchison.net  Tue Jun  3 23:57:55 2008
From: geoff at geoffhutchison.net (Geoffrey Hutchison)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:57:55 -0400
Subject: [scribus-dev] Migration from PO to TS files
Message-ID: <A8EE3E10-004B-4699-8015-E9142C55CAC5@geoffhutchison.net>

Hi,

I'm also working on another Qt4 project and was looking to find some  
information on why Scribus has been migrating from PO files to TS  
files. I ran across this on the web:
http://lists.scribus.net/pipermail/scribus/2004-January/006287.html
http://ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk/scribus/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=23

I can't find the "Mini Howto" or the rationale for moving from PO to TS.

Thanks!
-Geoff


From cbradney at zip.com.au  Wed Jun  4 00:07:49 2008
From: cbradney at zip.com.au (Craig Bradney)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:07:49 +0200
Subject: [scribus-dev] Migration from PO to TS files
In-Reply-To: <A8EE3E10-004B-4699-8015-E9142C55CAC5@geoffhutchison.net>
References: <A8EE3E10-004B-4699-8015-E9142C55CAC5@geoffhutchison.net>
Message-ID: <200806040007.49582.cbradney@zip.com.au>

On Tuesday 03 June 2008 23:57:55 Geoffrey Hutchison wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm also working on another Qt4 project and was looking to find some
> information on why Scribus has been migrating from PO files to TS
> files. I ran across this on the web:
> http://lists.scribus.net/pipermail/scribus/2004-January/006287.html
> http://ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk/scribus/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&
>file=article&sid=23
>
> I can't find the "Mini Howto" or the rationale for moving from PO to TS.


TS is the native Qt format.. so we prefer it.

You can find this howto on docs.scribus.net under the development section

Regards
Craig


From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 13:47:37 2008
From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:47:37 +0400
Subject: [scribus-dev] Scribus 1.4
Message-ID: <733f2c730806160447iabbc10cw34bc01b3ceb7ed4d@mail.gmail.com>

>> 8) The Style Manager is a real pain in its current (unfinished) state. It
> has to be fixed before a "stable" 1.4 is being let loose on users ;)

> 100% agree. This is THE showstopper. Now, this needs the most attention.
> This is really about usability. Without this working properly ? like it does
> now ? Scribus can simply not be used in a production environment. Period.

Sorry to brealk thread and chime in a while later ? I've just joined the list.

Now, I feel somewhat guilty for the quoted above because originally
Style Manager comes from my proposal, then it was reworked into
something that we see right now.

Thus I volunteer to do a list of changes required to make it a
pleasure to use. Same applies to other parts of UI that needs work.

Alexandre


From mrdocs at scribus.info  Mon Jun 16 13:56:58 2008
From: mrdocs at scribus.info (Plinnell)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:56:58 +0200
Subject: [scribus-dev] Scribus 1.4
In-Reply-To: <733f2c730806160447iabbc10cw34bc01b3ceb7ed4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <733f2c730806160447iabbc10cw34bc01b3ceb7ed4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200806161356.58754.mrdocs@scribus.info>

On Monday 16 June 2008 13:47:37 Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> >> 8) The Style Manager is a real pain in its current (unfinished) state.
> >> It
> >
> > has to be fixed before a "stable" 1.4 is being let loose on users ;)
> >
> > 100% agree. This is THE showstopper. Now, this needs the most attention.
> > This is really about usability. Without this working properly ? like it
> > does now ? Scribus can simply not be used in a production environment.
> > Period.
>
> Sorry to brealk thread and chime in a while later ? I've just joined the
> list.
>
> Now, I feel somewhat guilty for the quoted above because originally
> Style Manager comes from my proposal, then it was reworked into
> something that we see right now.
>
> Thus I volunteer to do a list of changes required to make it a
> pleasure to use. Same applies to other parts of UI that needs work.
>
> Alexandre
>


HI Alex,

Super! Can you file a bug where we can track discussion and perhaps .ui 
mockups if one does not exist already.

Thanks,

Peter



From pierremarc at oep-h.com  Thu Jun 19 14:48:39 2008
From: pierremarc at oep-h.com (Pierre Marchand)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:48:39 +0200
Subject: [scribus-dev] ScribusOTF
Message-ID: <200806191448.39772.pierremarc@oep-h.com>

Hi all,

Out of patience, I finally did it !
I?ve created the ScribusOTF branch where I?m going to experiment OpenType 
support in Scribus. I won?t apply the patch I?ve done before, it means OTF 
support won?t be available right now. I will rather rewrite a layout method  
first that will let the actual one intact and allow users to get their 
documents unchanged. Then, by means of a PageItem property, we?ll be able to 
switch between layout process. Doing so, I hope that Andreas could work on 
the same branch to implement his new ideas about the text layout engine., 
taking advantage of new "services" offered by ScFace.

It?s just a copy of Trunk at rev12278 for now but expect changes soon.

For users:
svn co svn://scribus.info/Scribus/branches/ScribusOTF ScribusOTF

Dear teammates, don?t hesitate to screw up this branch, it?s highly 
experimental and likely will never be merge as is :)

-- 
Pierre Marchand
http://www.oep-h.com



From haralevi at inf.fu-berlin.de  Fri Jun 27 00:10:43 2008
From: haralevi at inf.fu-berlin.de (Andre Haralevi)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:10:43 +0200
Subject: [scribus-dev] Security Assurance in FOSS: Request for contribution
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1214551685.28973.scribus-dev@lists.scribus.net>

Dear members of the Scribus project, 

we kindly ask for your participation in our survey on security assurance in
free/open source software. 
Security assurances are confidence building activities through structured
design processes, documentation, and testing. 

By participating in our survey you contribute to ongoing research with the
aim to make free/open source software more secure. 
It will not take more than 10 minutes of your valuable time for our 21
questions. 

Our survey is online for the next two weeks until July 1 at: 
http://survey.mi.fu-berlin.de/public/survey.php?name=fosssecurity
The survey is anonymous. 

Please find the results of the survey on the project page during July: 
https://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/w/SE/FOSSSecuritySurvey 

For further information about Open Source research at the Research Group
Software Engineering at Freie Universitaet Berlin, please visit: 
https://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/w/SE/FOSSHome 

Thank you in anticipation,
Sascha Rasmussen, Alexander Kunze, and Andre Haralevi

In case you participate in more than one FOSS project, please fill out the
questionnaire for the one where security is most important, or fill out one
questionnaire per project. 
Thank you!



