From Franz.Schmid at altmuehlnet.de  Thu Sep  3 13:57:41 2015
From: Franz.Schmid at altmuehlnet.de (Franz Schmid)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:57:41 +0200
Subject: [scribus-dev] How to change the colors of the new Master Page
 dialog entries?
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Am 29.08.2015 um 00:25 schrieb Kunda Loves Scribus:
> Dig the change that Franz made to Master Pages. It needs to refinements,
> but we're headed in the right direction. Quick question, how do I
> assign/change the color codes for the different master pages ?
>
>
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Just go to Page->Manage Page Properties during Masterpage editing.

Greetings,
Franz


From jluc at no-log.org  Thu Sep 17 20:15:10 2015
From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:15:10 +0200
Subject: [scribus-dev] masterpages color
Message-ID: <mtf70g$so5$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hello franz

i understand you reverted the change about giving colors to master page.

i think that giving colors to master pages enables to recognize them
in a easy and instant way, which is nice when having to change masterpages,
like reordering pages of a long document.

IMO the wrong thing with this feature is/was mainly...
the default violent colors ! i dare say, they hurt the eyes.

So what could be improved is the way to set the color :

First, choose smoother default colors !
maybe plain white / light grey / darker grey...
or maybe these :
http://www.123rf.com/photo_13600820_set-of-colorful-speech-bubbles-with-smooth-shadow.html ?


second : the color choice is/was accessed in a dialog that is triggered
in a menu that was far away entfernt from the masterpage edit dialog
or from the pages layout window that refers these.
(I cant find it now...)
IMO It would be nicer to access this color input dialog
closer to where the masterpages are visible or used
for example in a little box aligned right
on each masterpage line of the "manage pages" window.

BTW there is a bug (?) there on my machine : when choosing a color,
only the border color of the page is changed,
not the space all around it, which creates a doubt in the user.
But it works fine once that dialog is left and when editing the main document.


last : beside the colors, the way the name is displayed could be improved.
now, scribus try to fit a say 10 letters name
into a little page rectangle where only 3 letters fit :
it cant be read.
It would be better when only initials
or upercase letters of some camelcase masterpage name
would be displayed.

sincerly,
JLuc




From cbradney at scribus.info  Thu Sep 17 20:16:48 2015
From: cbradney at scribus.info (Craig Bradney)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:16:48 +0200
Subject: [scribus-dev] masterpages color
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> On 17 Sep 2015, at 22:15, JLuc <jluc at no-log.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello franz
> 
> i understand you reverted the change about giving colors to master page.
> 
> i think that giving colors to master pages enables to recognize them
> in a easy and instant way, which is nice when having to change masterpages,
> like reordering pages of a long document.
> 
> IMO the wrong thing with this feature is/was mainly...
> the default violent colors ! i dare say, they hurt the eyes.
> 
> So what could be improved is the way to set the color :
> 
> First, choose smoother default colors !
> maybe plain white / light grey / darker grey...
> or maybe these :
> http://www.123rf.com/photo_13600820_set-of-colorful-speech-bubbles-with-smooth-shadow.html ?
> 
> 
> second : the color choice is/was accessed in a dialog that is triggered
> in a menu that was far away entfernt from the masterpage edit dialog
> or from the pages layout window that refers these.
> (I cant find it now...)
> IMO It would be nicer to access this color input dialog
> closer to where the masterpages are visible or used
> for example in a little box aligned right
> on each masterpage line of the "manage pages" window.
> 
> BTW there is a bug (?) there on my machine : when choosing a color,
> only the border color of the page is changed,
> not the space all around it, which creates a doubt in the user.
> But it works fine once that dialog is left and when editing the main document.
> 
> 
> last : beside the colors, the way the name is displayed could be improved.
> now, scribus try to fit a say 10 letters name
> into a little page rectangle where only 3 letters fit :
> it cant be read.
> It would be better when only initials
> or upercase letters of some camelcase masterpage name
> would be displayed.
> 
> sincerly,
> JLuc
> 

Hi JLuc

I requested the removal. We aren?t doing this feature this way, simple. Forget it.

Yes, the name also needs fixing.

Thanks
Craig

From scribus.user at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 20:49:09 2015
From: scribus.user at gmail.com (Kunda Loves Scribus)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:49:09 -0500
Subject: [scribus-dev] masterpages color
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 <C8A6337C-B1EE-4689-8804-B87559D66A85@scribus.info>
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> > Hello franz
> >
> > i understand you reverted the change about giving colors to master page.
> >
> > i think that giving colors to master pages enables to recognize them
> > in a easy and instant way, which is nice when having to change
> masterpages,
> > like reordering pages of a long document.
>
> Hi JLuc
>
> I requested the removal. We aren?t doing this feature this way, simple.
> Forget it.
>
> Yes, the name also needs fixing.
>
> Thanks
> Craig


Just wanted to let Franz know that I was excited about the direction of the
Colored Master Pages.  Of course it needed refinement. Perhaps Craig has a
different way to implement it based on the words used: "this way"? I'm
holding back disappointment and opting to hope that color coding master
pages still make it some way in to the 1.6

Cheers,
/Kunda
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From cbradney at scribus.info  Thu Sep 17 20:54:31 2015
From: cbradney at scribus.info (Craig Bradney)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:54:31 +0200
Subject: [scribus-dev] masterpages color
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> On 17 Sep 2015, at 22:49, Kunda Loves Scribus <scribus.user at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Hello franz
> >
> > i understand you reverted the change about giving colors to master page.
> >
> > i think that giving colors to master pages enables to recognize them
> > in a easy and instant way, which is nice when having to change masterpages,
> > like reordering pages of a long document.
> 
> Hi JLuc
> 
> I requested the removal. We aren?t doing this feature this way, simple. Forget it.
> 
> Yes, the name also needs fixing.
> 
> Thanks
> Craig
> 
> Just wanted to let Franz know that I was excited about the direction of the Colored Master Pages.  Of course it needed refinement. Perhaps Craig has a different way to implement it based on the words used: "this way"? I'm holding back disappointment and opting to hope that color coding master pages still make it some way in to the 1.6 
> 


Jean and I do not like this idea of color coding. Colours are too limited to be useful in this context. Proper descriptions and GUI information is the only thing that will make this better.

Craig

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From gpittman at iglou.com  Thu Sep 17 23:59:14 2015
From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 19:59:14 -0400
Subject: [scribus-dev] masterpages color
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On 09/17/2015 04:54 PM, Craig Bradney wrote:
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 22:49, Kunda Loves Scribus <scribus.user at gmail.com
>> <mailto:scribus.user at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     > Hello franz
>>     >
>>     > i understand you reverted the change about giving colors to
>>     master page.
>>     >
>>     > i think that giving colors to master pages enables to recognize them
>>     > in a easy and instant way, which is nice when having to change
>>     masterpages,
>>     > like reordering pages of a long document.
>>
>>     Hi JLuc
>>
>>     I requested the removal. We aren?t doing this feature this way,
>>     simple. Forget it.
>>
>>     Yes, the name also needs fixing.
>>
>>     Thanks
>>     Craig
>>
>>
>> Just wanted to let Franz know that I was excited about the direction
>> of the Colored Master Pages.  Of course it needed refinement. Perhaps
>> Craig has a different way to implement it based on the words used:
>> "this way"? I'm holding back disappointment and opting to hope that
>> color coding master pages still make it some way in to the 1.6 
>>
> 
> 
> Jean and I do not like this idea of color coding. Colours are too
> limited to be useful in this context. Proper descriptions and GUI
> information is the only thing that will make this better.
> 

One issue with these colors is confusing the labelling of layers and
master pages, and we already have challenges with getting people to
understand the purpose and use of each.

I also thought that using the color in the workspace background was a
bit startling visually, and when we talk about color management and
visual color judgment, this could be a problem.

Perhaps some other visual cue might be found to attach to master pages,
but we don't have such a strong need for this right now.

Greg



