My attachments of the frutiger font bounced 'too long body ' (pending moderator; cancelled by me). These fonts fr-n.zip and fr-b.zip are on hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/multimedia/fonts/ along with a mass of others, some good, some bad. These, ATM 4.1 tells me, are really URW. I do not have italic or bold italic of them, though. bart at solozone.com