[scribus] "Master" Pages (was Re: New Linux User -- Scribus in place of PageMaker 6?)

Fri Aug 8 17:39:03 CEST 2008

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From: "Christoph Sch?fer" <christoph-schaefer at gmx.de>

hjh at mail.fsub.de schrieb:

> Then, beware of the term "master pages". It's misleading. (In German
> "Musterseiten" - as well).

No, it's absolutely correct, and it's wide-spread in the industry. InDesign
and QuarkXPress use it as well, and I guess other DTP pograms do the same.
The same goes for the German translation.

> They are -not- templates.

Exactly. We used to have the term "templates" in earlier versions, which
caused a lot of confusion, so we changed it to the industry standard, which
is "master pages"/"Musterseiten".
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It's possible that hjh was saying that since these master pages do not work
like InDesign's or Quark's (or FrameMaker's) master pages, it would be
better to change the term OR to make it very clear how these master pages
are different from those in the other programs.

An example of why that would be useful, at least for new users: I came to
Scribus from InDesign and FrameMaker, read a bit of the documentation, and
jumped in. After setting up text boxes on the master pages for about 4
hours, I started applying the masters to my document. Lo! I could not enter
text in the text boxes! I went back and read a bit deeper, specifically on
master pages, and discovered that Scribus doesn't allow you to set up text
boxes on master pages, but instead recommends you use the master pages to
lay out guidelines and then set up the text boxes on the individual pages.
This is different from the behavior of all of the other DTP software I have
ever used, and is, perhaps, why hjh found it misleading.

Again, the term "master pages" is indeed one that is used throughout the
industry, but this is a key use of master pages in other programs and it
does not hold for Scribus. Making this difference very clear to new users
would save... probably less than 4 hours for most people ;-) but I am a bit
slow.

Thomas

> But something
> you can coin / mould your pages with. It's a good concept - and -
> should not be altered or given up. But the term "master pages" /
> "Musterseiten" should be changed. In German it could be "Mater",
> a printing business term from the good old days for something
> used as a mould. (Mater = lat: mother - of a page)

Who uses "Mater" these days? I think the answer is no, as we use terms that
most users are familiar with whenever possible.

Regards

Christoph

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> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:23:33 -0400
> From: "Jeffrey Silverman" <jeffrey.d.silverman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] rbrethen at gmail.com: errormessage "Ghostscript
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> Hi! Not enough information, really, for anyone to help.
>
> What OS?
> What version of GS and of Scribus?
> What is the path you checked?
> Can you show us what you did to check the path.
>
> etc...
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> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko <malex at scribus.info>
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> > I still get this message after checking the path. I think it is right.
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> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:27:55 -0400
> From: Frank Swygert <farna at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Scribus in place of Pagemaker?
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> Greg, MEPIS switched to a Debian base with the last release or two. They
> were Ubuntu based before. Mint is also Debian based as you stated, so looks
> like I'm in good standing with one of those! Right now I'm leaning toward
> Mint, but then I just got the MEPIS DVD (which I stupidly ordered before
> looking at Mint!). Might just use it for a while.
>
> John, I've run the MEPIS and Mint live CDs. I might try another, but I
> doubt it. Those two are pretty robust and highly recommended for noobs,
> though I have looked at FreeSpire and considered it at one time. I'm not
> going to get caught up in trying a lot of different distros right now --
> takes too much time even with live CDs! I want something that's pretty well
> a total package and will run for years with minor updates along... a Linux
> version of Windows pretty much, but without the baggage and being hemmed in
> by the creator. I may never take advantage of it, but Linux does leave you
> with a lot of options, not just what the distro creator or program writer
> decides is best for you.
>
> The only thing I DON'T like about Linux is all the distros! I know, most of
> you think that's a strength, but it seems to fracture the community so much.
> Of course now Linux has matured to the point that there are really only two
> graphical desktops environments to speak of, which helps. I know there are
> more, but Gnome and KDE are the two top contenders, it seems the few others
> are a very small percentage. When it gets to the point that you can install
> a program and it will automatically look for then install what's missing, or
> at least tell you what's missing, Linux might have a real chance of
> competing with Windows. It's almost there! Now if stores would just carry
> some of the better distros (but then THAT'S confusing to Windows users
> also... why more than one version of the same OS, and which one do I
> choose?) so the less technical people could try it, and the open-source
> people would realize that boxed software on store shelves is mandatory for
> Linux to really compete, everything would be fine! Not being able to put
> software in stores is a problem with GNU licensed software. But I'm getting
> way off topic for this list!
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:31:21 -0400
> From: Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Scribus in place of Pagemaker?
> To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
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> Unfortunately, I don't know so much about either. We have a number of
> people using Debian and the *buntus, and Mint seems another Debian-based
> distro (their site says that they use Ubuntu's repositories).
>
> The advantage of using ones that others use is in getting help here on
> the list and on the sites. Personally, I think I would suggest OpenSUSE,
> Fedora, or Debian. Others may have other ideas.
>
> Since both KDE and Scribus make use of Qt, they are a natural fit, but
> even with Gnome you can get everything you need. I'm used to using KDE
> and like the way the environment works in various ways. All distros come
> with the GIMP as far as I know, thus you get all the gtk stuff.
>
>
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:50:00 -0700
> From: John Jason Jordan <johnxj at comcast.net>
>
> I suggest you try the distros that have live CDs. With the live CD you
> can run the distro without first installing it. It will run rather
> slow, as it has to read everything from the CD drive, but it gives you
> the opportunity to try out the distro and play with it.
>
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> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:23:55 -0400
> From: "Jeffrey Silverman" <jeffrey.d.silverman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Scribus in place of Pagemaker?
> To: "Scribus User Mailing List" <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
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> Hi. I'm glad you're looking at Mint and MEPIS. And one could argue
> that discussing the finer points of general public viability of Open
> Source software is on-topic for this list. Marginally on-topic, maybe.
>
> Anyway, 95% of the distros are niche distros and can be ignored.
> Unfortunately, that still leaves a couple dozen "end user" distros!
> But really, there are only maybe a half dozen or ten distros that are
> truly appropriate for a new user to switch to. Probably, that is too
> many. That is why I've decided to recommend only two these days,
> Ubuntu or Mint. And I change the recommendation based on who I am
> recommending to and what I know about their needs. Usually, though, I
> just recommend Mint because it has all the goodness of Ubuntu and is
> more polished.
>
> As far as the "boxed, in-store" software need, I think that is a
> leftover preference from a previous millenium. Today you can get
> almost anything that is made of bits by downloading it. The need to
> stick a disc in your computer is, frankly, FAST becoming obsolete.
> Once this new crop of college students, or maybe the crop or two after
> them, make it into the market, the desire of many shoppers to buy a
> disc is going to start to disappear. That, combined with the spreading
> presence of broadband. And the familiarity of the younger set with
> Open Source. I mean, everyone has used Firefox (well, not everyone,
> but you get what I'm going for, I hope). And many more people are
> starting to realize that FF has a lot of cousins as far as the
> development and distribution components go (e.g. You can't buy FF in a
> store).
>
> I'm no prognosticator, that's for sure, but that's just my take on it.
> My opinion is justifiably skewed by my skill set, though, so take it
> with a grain of salt.
>
> Also, Ubuntu, and Mint even more so, has very very very VERY easy to
> use "Add Software" tools. Very highly abstracted, one-click type
> deals. You will never ever want to have to deal with the old CD-in,
> wait for install, type in looooong CD key, commercial software route
> of the past once you see Ubuntu's "Add/Remove Software" or Mint's
> "MintInstall" tools.
>
> Okay, so, I'm rambling again. Sorry. I just love this stuff, can't help it.
>
> Later...
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Frank Swygert <farna at att.net> wrote:
> <snip>
> > John, I've run the MEPIS and Mint live CDs. I might try another, but I
> doubt
> > it. Those two are pretty robust and highly recommended for noobs, though
> I
> > have looked at FreeSpire and considered it at one time. I'm not going to
> get
> > caught up in trying a lot of different distros right now -- takes too
> much
> > time even with live CDs! I want something that's pretty well a total
> package
> <snip!>
> > The only thing I DON'T like about Linux is all the distros! I know, most
> of
> > you think that's a strength, but it seems to fracture the community so
> much.
> > Of course now Linux has matured to the point that there are really only
> two
> > graphical desktops environments to speak of, which helps. I know there
> are
> > more, but Gnome and KDE are the two top contenders, it seems the few
> others
> > are a very small percentage. When it gets to the point that you can
> install
> > a program and it will automatically look for then install what's missing,
> or
> > at least tell you what's missing, Linux might have a real chance of
> > competing with Windows. It's almost there! Now if stores would just carry
> > some of the better distros (but then THAT'S confusing to Windows users
> > also... why more than one version of the same OS, and which one do I
> > choose?) so the less technical people could try it, and the open-source
> > people would realize that boxed software on store shelves is mandatory
> for
> > Linux to really compete, everything would be fine! Not being able to put
> > software in stores is a problem with GNU licensed software. But I'm
> getting
> > way off topic for this list!
> <snip>
>
> --
> Jeff Silverman
> jeffrey.d.silverman at gmail.com
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