[scribus] Black is not black

[Pedrie Roberts]

Just shortly: Andreas, thank you very much for your excellent answer.
I am very excited about this. I believe it will make a tremendous
difference.
Pedrie


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>   1. Re:  Black isnt black -- scribus Digest, Vol 8, Issue 39 (avox)
>   2. Re:  File path issue when opening sla files from Wiki
>      (John Beardmore)
>   3. Re:  File path issue when opening sla files from Wiki
>      (Gregory Pittman)
>   4.  Grads - Antialiasing (Alexander Schulze)
>   5. Re:  File path issue when opening sla files from Wiki
>      (John Beardmore)
>   6.  Gimp/Ubuntu. (Henry W. Peters)
>   7. Re:  Gimp/Ubuntu. (Ori Idan)
>   8. Re:  Gimp/Ubuntu. (Gregory Pittman)
>   9. Re:  Gimp/Ubuntu. (Jeffrey Silverman)
>  10. Re:  Gimp/Ubuntu. (Emanuel Sprosec)
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> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:19:44 -0800 (PST)
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> Subject: Re: [scribus] Black isnt black -- scribus Digest, Vol 8,
>        Issue 39
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> Pedrie Roberts-2 wrote:
>>
>> When I export from Scribus (whether as PDF or image format - tested it
>> as PNG) it seems that the program does not export black as 100% black,
>> but rather as about 90% black. Some of my work I actually had to
>> reopen in Gimp and paint the black black but, of course, this is not
>> possible for a PDF and we use mainly PDFs. Is there some setting I
>> have to change when exporting, or is it a bug in the program?
>> Help appreciated.
>> PAR
>>
>
> This should be in the the FAQ.
>
> 100% black in the CMYK color space is not 100% in the RGB colorspace.
> CMYK knows some blacks "blacker", which also have  a C, M and Y
> component in it. So CMYK (100, 100, 100, 100) would be mapped to
> RGB black, but the normal CMYK black (0, 0, 0, 100) is not.
>
> So if you export to RGB (all PNG are RGB and PDF if you export for
> Screen/Web),
> you should not use Scribus' std black, which is CMYK (0, 0, 0, 100), but
> define
> your own RGB black as (0,0,0).
>
> /Andreas
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:16:42 +0000
> From: John Beardmore <John at T4sLtd.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] File path issue when opening sla files from
>        Wiki
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> Gregory Pittman wrote:
>> Julian Robbins wrote:
>>>> Craig Bradney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday 25 November 2008 19:37:15 Julian Robbins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am hoping to use Mindtouch DekiWiki as an Open Source wiki
>>>>>>>> platform in
>>>>>>>> my company.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, although I would like to migrate Scribus files and images
>>>>>>>> over to
>>>>>>>> it I have found a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The files are effectively opened from a webpage, which in turn opens
>>>>>>>> them usually as a temporary file. But it you try to do this with a
>>>>>>>> scribus .sla file then all the images aren't shown as its trying
>>>>>>>> to use
>>>>>>>> the temporary file name path rather than just a local path like
>>>>>>>> '.' All
>>>>>>>> my images are normally stored in the same folder that the Scribus
>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>> is in, so it just needs to look in the same place that the
>>>>>>>> Scribus file
>>>>>>>> was located.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any ideas to get around this issue ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dont  :)
>>>>>> or... use another solution that presents the whole set of sla
>>>>>> files, images etc, as local files and then recollects them back to
>>>>>> the wiki. Scribus can only handle local files at this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Not exactly sure what you need, but the option File > Collect for
>>>> Output will at least put the .sla file together with its images in
>>>> one directory.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>> I think the other issue is whether the images are linked relatively ie
>>> if they are in the same dir, it might be image path ='.', or whether the
>>> images are linked with absolute paths.
>>>
>>> I'm going to try the mindtouch wiki form, to see if they have any
>>> ideas too.
>>>
>> images are linked with relative paths. Once you do Collect for Output,
>> the files will be in the same directory as the .sla file.
>
> And will the file paths in the .sla file point at the collected files as
>
>     ./Picture.jpg
>
> etc ?
>
>
> Cheers, J/.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:37:00 -0500
> From: Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] File path issue when opening sla files from
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> John Beardmore wrote:
>>>>
>>> images are linked with relative paths. Once you do Collect for
>>> Output, the files will be in the same directory as the .sla file.
>>
>> And will the file paths in the .sla file point at the collected files as
>>
>>     ./Picture.jpg
> Actually, it will simply be "Picture.jpg".
>
> Greg
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:32:39 +0100
> From: Alexander Schulze <schulzea at gfz-potsdam.de>
> Subject: [scribus] Grads - Antialiasing
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> Hi Etienne,
>
> I read your message in the follow mailing list
>
> http://lists.scribus.net/pipermail/scribus/2008-April/027784.html
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> I have the same problem. Could you solve it. It there are a possibility
> to switch off the anti-aliasing.
>
> thanks in advance for your help
>
> Alex
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:36:17 +0000
> From: John Beardmore <John at T4sLtd.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] File path issue when opening sla files from
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> Gregory Pittman wrote:
>> John Beardmore wrote:
>
>>>> images are linked with relative paths. Once you do Collect for
>>>> Output, the files will be in the same directory as the .sla file.
>>>
>>> And will the file paths in the .sla file point at the collected files as
>>>
>>>     ./Picture.jpg
>> Actually, it will simply be "Picture.jpg".
>
> Thanks Greg !  I'll try it again.
>
>
> Cheers, J/.
> --
> John Beardmore, MSc EDM (Open), B.A. Chem (Oxon), CMIOSH, AIEMA, MEI
> Managing Director, T4 Sustainability Limited. http://www.T4sLtd.co.uk/
> Energy Audit, Carbon Management, Design Advice, Sustainable Energy
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:00:06 -0500
> From: "Henry W. Peters" <hwpeters at jamadots.com>
> Subject: [scribus] Gimp/Ubuntu.
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> Please excuse the slightly off topic question, but I looked most
> everywhere I could find on Gimp's web site & could find no
> discussion/contact means.  I downloaded the latest Gimp for Windows (it
> included an installer, & I use XP, dual boot) & it now looks to be a
> TERRIFIC upgrade (preliminary opinion)! Trying to go toward, as much as
> I can, to Linux (Ubuntu 8.04.1, currently), I sought an equivalent
> upgrade for the Linux distro. It appears there is none... silly me, I
> thought it was a predominantly Linux oriented program?
>
> Any link to a Gimp discussion list would be much appreciated. Thanks much.
>
> Henry
>
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> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:08:05 +0200
> From: "Ori Idan" <ori at helicontech.co.il>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Gimp/Ubuntu.
> To: "Scribus User Mailing List" <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
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> I guess you can find all information in the gimp project web site:
> http://www.gimp.org
>
> --
> Ori Idan
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>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Henry W. Peters <hwpeters at jamadots.com>wrote:
>
>> Please excuse the slightly off topic question, but I looked most everywhere
>> I could find on Gimp's web site & could find no discussion/contact means.  I
>> downloaded the latest Gimp for Windows (it included an installer, & I use
>> XP, dual boot) & it now looks to be a TERRIFIC upgrade (preliminary
>> opinion)! Trying to go toward, as much as I can, to Linux (Ubuntu 8.04.1,
>> currently), I sought an equivalent upgrade for the Linux distro. It appears
>> there is none... silly me, I thought it was a predominantly Linux oriented
>> program?
>>
>> Any link to a Gimp discussion list would be much appreciated. Thanks much.
>>
>> Henry
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> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:58:11 -0500
> From: Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Gimp/Ubuntu.
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> Ori Idan wrote:
>> I guess you can find all information in the gimp project web site:
>> http://www.gimp.org
>>
>>
> you may actually want to learn more about various debian/ubuntu
> repositories.
>
> Greg
>
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> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:21:24 -0500
> From: "Jeffrey Silverman" <jeffrey.d.silverman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Gimp/Ubuntu.
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> Not sure I understand your question, but I'll take a stab.
>
> Linux distros often don't have the latest version of a particular package --
> and Gimp is an especially good example -- unless you upgrade the whole OS.
> So, for example, the newest version of GIMP you are ever likely to get
> through Ubuntu's package manager for Ubuntu 8.04 is GIMP 2.4.X. The X may
> get upgraded but the .4. part probably won't. The reason is usually because
> of all the various dependencies. If you upgrade to Ubuntu 8.10 --and you may
> want to for a variety of reasons -- then you get Gimp 2.6.x.
>
> Now, a rolling-release distro like Gentoo is different. But I don't
> recommend Gentoo for those switching from Windows.
>
> later...
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Henry W. Peters <hwpeters at jamadots.com>wrote:
>
>> Please excuse the slightly off topic question, but I looked most everywhere
>> I could find on Gimp's web site & could find no discussion/contact means.  I
>> downloaded the latest Gimp for Windows (it included an installer, & I use
>> XP, dual boot) & it now looks to be a TERRIFIC upgrade (preliminary
>> opinion)! Trying to go toward, as much as I can, to Linux (Ubuntu 8.04.1,
>> currently), I sought an equivalent upgrade for the Linux distro. It appears
>> there is none... silly me, I thought it was a predominantly Linux oriented
>> program?
>>
>> Any link to a Gimp discussion list would be much appreciated. Thanks much.
>>
>> Henry
>>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:06:39 +0100
> From: Emanuel Sprosec <design at emanuel-s.com>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Gimp/Ubuntu.
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> Hello Henry,
>
> a small questions - when you work(ed) on windows, do your really need GIMP for your usage? Or do you need it only, to improve, crop or resize images and similiar basis-things? Then you can also use Paint.net (or smiliar) mixed with Inkspace for Graphics (or similiar) and change the external Tool-Path to it in the settings of Scribus. I now work very intensive with Scribus (and in my case combined with Photoshop) and i don't miss GIMP for my work.
>
> And yes, you're right - the new release of GIMP for Windows is no fun. Very slow and needs longer time to open, than i need to work with it.
> Cheers, Emanuel
>
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:00:06 -0500
> "Henry W. Peters" <hwpeters at jamadots.com> wrote:
>
>> Please excuse the slightly off topic question, but I looked most
>> everywhere I could find on Gimp's web site & could find no
>> discussion/contact means.  I downloaded the latest Gimp for Windows (it
>> included an installer, & I use XP, dual boot) & it now looks to be a
>> TERRIFIC upgrade (preliminary opinion)! Trying to go toward, as much as
>> I can, to Linux (Ubuntu 8.04.1, currently), I sought an equivalent
>> upgrade for the Linux distro. It appears there is none... silly me, I
>> thought it was a predominantly Linux oriented program?
>>
>> Any link to a Gimp discussion list would be much appreciated. Thanks much.
>>
>> Henry
>>
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