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1. Zeilenumbruch (Wolfgang Kropsch)
2. Re: Review: Create book covers in Scribus by John Culleton
(THOU Mangement)
3. Text layout on Scribus Manual (John Culleton)
4. Re: Zeilenumbruch (Christoph Sch?fer)
5. Re: Text layout on Scribus Manual (Owen)
6. Hyphenation/justification settings (was Re: Text layout on
Scribus Manual) (Torn?ci L?szl?)
7. Re: Text layout on Scribus Manual (John Beardmore)
8. Re: Hyphenation/justification settings (was Re: Text layout
on Scribus Manual) (John Beardmore)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:38:38 +0200
From: "Wolfgang Kropsch" <alex.wolfi at t-online.de>
Subject: [scribus] Zeilenumbruch
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Hallo,
Ich vermisse beim Zeilenumbruch die automatische Anpassung der Zeilenabst?nde bei ver?nderter Scalierung. Wer kann mir helfen?
Bei vergr??erung auf 20 P. von 12 P. ver?nderte sich zwar die Schriftgr??e, der Zeilenabstand ver?nderte sich aber nicht
Viele Gr??e an alle!
Wolfgang
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:37:18 -0400
From: "THOU Mangement" <THOUManagement at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [scribus] Review: Create book covers in Scribus by John
Culleton
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Ok, John...Thanks.
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[mailto:scribus-bounces at lists.scribus.net] On Behalf Of John Culleton
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Subject: Re: [scribus] Review: Create book covers in Scribus by John
Culleton
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 04:10:42 pm THOU Mangement wrote:
> I tried to find out from my contact at LSI what I s the pages per
> inch for 5.5 x 8.5 in or 216 x 140 mm (Demy 8vo) Perfect Bound on
> White 152 pages but she said she had no idea. Do you know where I
> can find this out so I can use John Culleton cover generator?
There is a table in the e-book. Or maybe you could find it on the
LSI site where they have the spine generator.
--
John Culleton
Create Book Covers with Scribus/e-book $5.95
http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:17:03 -0400
From: John Culleton <john at wexfordpress.com>
Subject: [scribus] Text layout on Scribus Manual
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I note that the typeseting on the back cover of the manual utilizes
optical alignment (hanging punctuation.) I would like to know what
version of Scribus was used for this text, and how one turns on
optical alignment in Scribus.
One of my buddies, an InDesign user, criticizes the first paragraph
for having oversized word spaces. He suggests that letterspacing
has been turned off. I am of the opinion, along with Goudy, that a
man who would letterspace lower case would steal sheep. However I
do think that the paragraph at a time justification method used in
both TeX and InDesign is the way to go. Is that in the plans
somewhere?
--
John Culleton
Create Book Covers with Scribus/e-book $5.95
http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:24:12 +0200
From: Christoph Sch?fer <christoph-schaefer at gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [scribus] Zeilenumbruch
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Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 13:38:38 schrieb Wolfgang Kropsch:
> Hallo,
>
> Ich vermisse beim Zeilenumbruch die automatische Anpassung der
> Zeilenabst?nde bei ver?nderter Scalierung. Wer kann mir helfen? Bei
> vergr??erung auf 20 P. von 12 P. ver?nderte sich zwar die Schriftgr??e,
> der Zeilenabstand ver?nderte sich aber nicht
>
> Viele Gr??e an alle!
> Wolfgang
Hallo Wolfgang,
Du mu?t den Zeilenabstand von fest auf automatisch umstellen (entweder im
Text-Reiter der Eigenschaftenpalette oder im jeweiligen Absatzstil).
Christoph
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:29:17 +1000 (EST)
From: "Owen" <rcook at pcug.org.au>
Subject: Re: [scribus] Text layout on Scribus Manual
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> I note that the typeseting on the back cover of the manual utilizes
> optical alignment (hanging punctuation.) I would like to know what
> version of Scribus was used for this text, and how one turns on
> optical alignment in Scribus.
>
> One of my buddies, an InDesign user, criticizes the first paragraph
> for having oversized word spaces. He suggests that letterspacing
> has been turned off. I am of the opinion, along with Goudy, that a
> man who would letterspace lower case would steal sheep. However I
> do think that the paragraph at a time justification method used in
> both TeX and InDesign is the way to go. Is that in the plans
> somewhere?
Hi John,
optical margins are in the properties dialog for at least 1.3.5 and 1.5.0
See http://members.pcug.org.au/~rcook/images/Optical-Properties.png
--
Owen
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:45:42 +0200
From: Torn?ci L?szl? <torlasz at net.sote.hu>
Subject: [scribus] Hyphenation/justification settings (was Re: Text
layout on Scribus Manual)
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John Culleton wrote:
> I note that the typeseting on the back cover of the manual utilizes
> optical alignment (hanging punctuation.) I would like to know what
> version of Scribus was used for this text, and how one turns on
> optical alignment in Scribus.
>
> One of my buddies, an InDesign user, criticizes the first paragraph
> for having oversized word spaces. He suggests that letterspacing
> has been turned off. I am of the opinion, along with Goudy, that a
> man who would letterspace lower case would steal sheep. However I
> do think that the paragraph at a time justification method used in
> both TeX and InDesign is the way to go. Is that in the plans
> somewhere?
>
I use 1.3.5, the development version for the reason it has much better
hyphenation-justification (H&J) than the stable branch. 1.3.5 has
optical margins, it allows you to tweak word tracking and glyph
extension (found in text properties, advanced settings). For word
tracking (=interword spacing) you can set a minimal and a normal width
in percentages, for glyph extension (horizontally shrinking/extending
glyphs) you can set a minimum and a maximum. There is no way to set a
maximum for word tracking, and there is no way to change within-word
spacing (letterspacing) at all (correct me if I'm wrong). H&J is
strictly line oriented.
I think the problem is, DTP experts can't really agree about what
methods should be used to get a good typesetting. I think some of the
opinions are more like a religious belief than something you can
actually prove. Like your quote from Goudy: I don't think anyone has
eyes sharp enough to detect 1-3% changes in within-word spacing, and
these changes could allow a H&J algorithm to achieve a better solution.
By the way, I agree, noticeable within-word spacing is absolutely UGLY,
(but large interword spaces are not nice either).
I don't understand why Scribus allows for glyph extension and not for
changing the within-word spacing. The former is a bigger no-no among
purists then the latter.
There are some convincing examples in James Felici's book: The Complete
Manual of Typography showing the same text typeset with different
settings of: interword and within-word spacing and glyph extension.
Combining small (not noticeable) amounts of all these gives you a really
pleasing result.
It would be very nice to be able to use all these settings in Scribus.
The purists could always disable the features they don't like. And a
paragraph oriented H&J is also a must. Currently if you reach the max
hyphenations allowed at the end of lines, you get ridiculously large
interword spacings in the next line.
So yes, I agree with John, better H&J is necessary. Now that we have TeX
frames, is there a way to link them the way we do text frames? Guess
not, but perhaps Scribus could pass linked text frames to TeX after some
filtering?
Yours: Laszlo
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:40:27 +0100
From: John Beardmore <John at T4sLtd.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [scribus] Text layout on Scribus Manual
To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
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John Culleton wrote:
> One of my buddies, an InDesign user, criticizes the first paragraph
> for having oversized word spaces. He suggests that letterspacing
> has been turned off. I am of the opinion, along with Goudy, that a
> man who would letterspace lower case would steal sheep.
ROFL !
Cheers, J/.
--
John Beardmore, MSc EDM (Open), B.A. Chem (Oxon), CMIOSH, AIEMA, MEI
Managing Director, T4 Sustainability Limited. http://www.T4sLtd.co.uk/
Energy Audit, Carbon Management, Design Advice, Sustainable Energy
Consultancy and Installation, Carbon Trust Standard Registered Assessor
Phone: 0845 4561332 Mobile: 07785 563116 Skype: t4sustainability
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:11:22 +0100
From: John Beardmore <John at T4sLtd.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [scribus] Hyphenation/justification settings (was Re:
Text layout on Scribus Manual)
To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
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Torn?ci L?szl? wrote:
> I think the problem is, DTP experts can't really agree about what
> methods should be used to get a good typesetting. I think some of the
> opinions are more like a religious belief than something you can
> actually prove.
:) Sort of...
....If you can read it without getting a headache, it's
obviously set well enough.
Cheers, J/.
--
John Beardmore, MSc EDM (Open), B.A. Chem (Oxon), CMIOSH, AIEMA, MEI
Managing Director, T4 Sustainability Limited. http://www.T4sLtd.co.uk/
Energy Audit, Carbon Management, Design Advice, Sustainable Energy
Consultancy and Installation, Carbon Trust Standard Registered Assessor
Phone: 0845 4561332 Mobile: 07785 563116 Skype: t4sustainability
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