[scribus] Printing as Spread

[Gregory Pittman]

On 07/22/2011 12:56 PM, Louis Desjardins wrote:
> 2011/7/22 Gregory Pittman<gregp_ky at yahoo.com>
>
>> On 07/22/2011 10:56 AM, Andreas Vox wrote:
>>
>>> Louis Desjardins<louis.desjardins at ..**.>   writes:
>>>
>>>   The other thing I would like to find out is the coding effort in time.
>>>>
>>>> Once we know the coding time required, we will then have to ask ourselves
>>>> what particular coding skills does that imply. Then we could decide
>>>> whether
>>>> it's worth the effort or not considering all the other specific
>>>> requirements
>>>> that are also worth digging.
>>>>
>>>> The initial question raised in this thread still remains to be answered.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My estimate is it would take me 1-2 days to implement this for PDF export
>>> (no
>>> imposition but just a simple yes/no option resp. the signature size for
>>> booklets)
>>>
>>> Output would be a PDF where the page size is the sum of the combined
>>> pages.
>>> Bleed etc. would be clipped where two pages meet.
>>>
>>> For PDF export the code is very similar to PDF embedding, so it would be
>>> a good idea to combine it when we finish PDF embedding.
>>>
>>> Implementing the same for Postscript would take longer.
>>>
>>>   I guess the biggest question I have about this is the utility of this
>> feature, as opposed to making a "regular" PDF and then using Adobe Reader to
>> print in n-up mode.
>>
>
> n-up is not the issue discussed here. For n-up printing we have enough tools
> and all we need from Scribus is already what it does right, export the pages
> to PDFs. The rest belongs to imposition. However I know that we have been
> discussing a lot about booklet printing but again, this is not what I am
> discussing here.
>
> Can a commercial printer make use of such an output?
>
>
> The answer is yes. This PDF would simply be a combination of elements and as
> such it would be considered a "page" by the printer and by the imposition
> software.
>
> It's not a prepress tool, it's a design tool. It helps creating pieces that
> are composed of various width pages or panels but in the end that should be
> considered as one page. Think of a book cover with a spine (perfect bind) or
> think about a 3 or 4-panel pamphlet where one panel needs to be narrower
> than the others.
>
>
>> I perceive opportunities for confusion on the users' part as far as what is
>> a good sort of PDF to output, or whether they think they have actually
>> created the sort that they thought they did.
>>
>
> There is actually lots of confusion with the 3-fold and 4-fold layouts and
> we want to avoid that.
>
> It's a Print/Export Option. You check it if you need it. If the PDF created
> like that is not suitable for a specific usage, then create another one. I
> mean, it cannot be simpler in my view. All it does, really, is create a PDF
> that will be in accordance with the layout.
>
> I kind of have the feeling of repeating myself and I really don’t know what
> to add to make this explanation clearer!
>
> Book cover for perfect bind.
> Specs:
> Spine of 0,75 inch
> Size of book 6 x 9 inches
> Size of cover : 2 times 6 + spine = 12,75 inches
>
> *Regular way to work*
> Size of document : 9 x 12,75
> Layout: One single page
>
> *Alternative way to work*
> Size of document: various
> Page 1 (back cover) 6 x 9
> Page 2 (spine) 0,75 x 9
> Page 3 (front cover) 6 x 9
> Layout: 3-page spread in the order 1-2-3
> When handling the PDF, you want to give the printer a document of 9 x 12,75,
> same as Regular way to work.
>
> The advantages of the Alternative way are:
> You can output only page(s) of your choice.
> You can adjust the spine without affecting the other pages
> You can send any element to the proofreader, separately or together, as
> single pages or as a spread.
> You can send any element to the marketing dept. (same as above)
> All that is simple. You do not have to deal with cropping or resizing or
> creating a new document for those various tasks.
> You need the cover page for a catalog, no problem. It's already all cut into
> pieces, it's been created into its various components.
>
> Same would apply to a pamphlet with any number of panels. You need the cover
> for a catalog? easy! it's a distinct page! Output PDF or any other format
> and send it where it is needed. When you are ready to go to press you output
> 2 pages as PDF, each being a combination of panels, 1-2-3 for one and 4-5-6
> for the other. This final 2-page PDF will be imposed n-up by the printer.
>
> Is there something else I should add to explain this feature?

Thanks, Louis.

 From what you're saying, I guess this eliminates some extra steps for 
the printer?

It seems this would have to be accompanied by some instructions on usage 
for users to get the most helpful results...


Greg