[scribus] scribus Digest, Vol 44, Issue 14

Fri Nov 11 15:32:35 UTC 2011

Thanks for the fantastic responses to my question about installing GhostScript Suite as an integral aspect of installing Scribus 1.4.0 RC6 on my computer!  I will explore each of your suggestions.  I'm excited about using Scribus for the creation of a cover file for my book submission to LSI.

In answer to John Culleton's question: My OS is Windows 7.

Adam

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   1. Re:  interesting article with thoughts for us
      (John Ghormley KJ4UFG)
   2. Re:  interesting article with thoughts for us (john Culleton)
   3.  Cover file creation with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6 (Adam Abair)
   4. Re:  Cover file creation with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6 (Joe Zeff)
   5. Re:  Cover file creation with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6 (JLuc)
   6. Re:  Cover file creation with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6 (john Culleton)
   7. Re:  interesting article with thoughts for us (Mike Sleger)
   8. Re:  Transparency Simulation if your commercial printer does
      not allow transparency (Stefan)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:18:08 -0500
From: John Ghormley KJ4UFG <kj4ufg at sera.org>
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Subject: Re: [scribus] interesting article with thoughts for us
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Peter Nermander <peter at nermander.se> wrote:

> > I have just upgraded my version of Ubuntu to 11.10 and part of the
> process
> > was to upgrade to a 1.4.x version of Scribus. I had no choice in the
> matter
> > and to be honest I didn't know that I might wish to decline the upgrade
> of
> > Scribus (even if it were possible).
>
> This is most likely a matter of how Ubuntu choses to package Scribus.
>
> When using the Scribus repositories (www.scribus.net and click on
> Download to learn how to use them) the package "scribus" is still the
> 1.3.3 series, whereas the 1.4 series is called "scribus-ng" (ng as in
> "next generation"), so both can be installed in parallel.
>
> So you should not blame the Scribus team but the Ubuntu team. Ubuntu
> has quite a long record of "breaking" things for Scribus users, for
> example only packaging the Unstable version or having patches in Qt
> that gives problems.
>
> /Peter
>

In this case, your accusation of Ubuntu is totally unfounded.  Although the
gentleman apparently did not realize it, he did have a choice when the
upgrade to the latest version of Ubuntu Linux was done.  Ubuntu does not
automatically upgrade from a stable version to an unstable version.  The
fact that both exists in their repositories is proof of that.  Ubuntu sees
the two versions as different apps as much as GIMP and Inkscape are
different apps even as you pointed out it your first paragraph.

John Ghormley  KJ4UFG
Editor, SERA *Repeater Journal*
Walkertown, NC  USA
editor at sera.org
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:55:56 -0500
From: john Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com>
To: scribus at lists.scribus.net
Subject: Re: [scribus] interesting article with thoughts for us
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:06:16 -0600 "William F. Maddock"
<billsey at earthlink.net> wrote:

> John,
> 
> I think what Tony is trying to say is that there are multiple
> people involved, and that not all of them have 1.4.x. If this
> is the case, then Tony might not have the authority to make
> other people "say goodbye to the earlier versions." It might
> not be his call.
> 
> Also, since the development team already knows how to save in
> those earlier versions, would it really be that tough to add a
> module to do what they already know how to do? The only issue I
> can see is in making sure that this "retro" module doesn't try
> to save features that it doesn't understand. A clue as to how
> to accomplish this might be gained (if it is really needed) by
> studying the old IFF format from the Amiga days. If an older
> version of an application tried to open a document created in a
> newer version, then the older version would simply ignore any
> chunks that it did not understand, and could therefore save out
> what it was able to work on. Since the development team already
> knows which new features the 1.3.x version cannot understand,
> they can simply code the "retro" module to leave those features
> out of the saved file. An enforced "save as" could safeguard
> against over-writing the document created in the newer version
> of the application (for example, by default, a "-13x" could be
> appended to the chosen filename).

It is not just a case of transforming 1.4.0 output to 1.3.3.14.
There have been intermediate versions. While the sequence 1.3.5
to 1.4.0 used basically the same file format I don't know if an
sla file from 1.4.0 will always load correctly in e.g., 1.3.5.
Should all the intermediate versions be accommodated in 1.4.0?

If features changed between 1.4.0 and 1.3.3.x are just left out of
the saved file the appearance of the file may be distorted beyond
recognition.

For example, assume that a gradient is used. Assume further that
gradients are handled differently in the two editions. If you
just delete the gradient then the files appearance is changed. If
you ask that the 1.4.0 file be rewritten to resemble the 1.3.3.x
file format then you are asking for a lot more than just deleting
features. This not a real example but is just an example of the
kind of problem that might occur. 

Users can and should keep up with the latest version, 1.4.0. It
is too much to ask of the maintainers that all older versions be
kept viable in perpetuity. What about 2.0? 

-- 
John Culleton Free list of books for self-publishers:
http://wexfordpress.net/shortlist.html

"Create Book Covers with Scribus"
http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:34:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Adam Abair <adam_abair at yahoo.com>
To: "scribus at lists.scribus.net" <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
Subject: [scribus] Cover file creation with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6
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In downloading the 6 programs necessary for Scribus 1.4.0 RC6, five of the six programs downloaded without a problem.? But I have run into a problem trying to download the GhostScript Suite.? When I get to the dialog box asking the question: Do you want to open or save this file? [ghostscript-9.04.tar bz2? / 28.4 MB] -- I get trapped in an endless loop when I click either "Save" or "Open."

When I click on "Save," I get the option "Open."? But when I click on the option "Open," the screen blinks once and nothing happens.? No matter how many times I try, the same endless loop takes place.? None of the drop down options revealed by the drop down arrows that appear next to the "Save" or "Open" buttons changes this endless loop.

Two questions:

(1)? Why won't the GhostScript Suite download?? (What am I doing wrong?);

(2)? If I cannot successfully download the GhostScript Suite, will Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro work successfully with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6 to create PDF cover files acceptable to LSI?

Adam
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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:46:44 -0800
From: Joe Zeff <joe at zeff.us>
To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
Subject: Re: [scribus] Cover file creation with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6
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On 11/10/2011 10:34 AM, Adam Abair wrote:
> When I click on "Save," I get the option "Open."  But when I click on the option "Open," the screen blinks once and nothing happens.  No matter how many times I try, the same endless loop takes place.  None of the drop down options revealed by the drop down arrows that appear next to the "Save" or "Open" buttons changes this endless loop.

Try downloading it by wget instead of through your browser.

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:30:04 +0100
From: JLuc <jluc at no-log.org>
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Subject: Re: [scribus] Cover file creation with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6
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Le 10/11/2011 19:34, Adam Abair a ?crit :
> In downloading the 6 programs necessary for Scribus 1.4.0 RC6, five of the six programs downloaded without a problem.  But I have run into a problem trying to download the GhostScript Suite.  When I get to the dialog box asking the question: Do you want to open or save this file? [ghostscript-9.04.tar bz2  / 28.4 MB] -- I get trapped in an endless loop when I click either "Save" or "Open."
>
> When I click on "Save," I get the option "Open."  But when I click on the option "Open," the screen blinks once and nothing happens.  No matter how many times I try, the same endless loop takes place.  None of the drop down options revealed by the drop down arrows that appear next to the "Save" or "Open" buttons changes this endless loop.
>
> Two questions:
>
> (1)  Why won't the GhostScript Suite download?  (What am I doing wrong?);
>
> (2)  If I cannot successfully download the GhostScript Suite, will Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro work successfully with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6 to create PDF cover files acceptable to LSI?
>
> Adam

6 programs ? Strange, i only need one : scribus.

AFAIK Scribus does not use ghostscript to produce PDFs so it shouldnt be a problem.

JLuc

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:21:50 -0500
From: john Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com>
To: scribus at lists.scribus.net
Subject: Re: [scribus] Cover file creation with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:30:04 +0100
JLuc <jluc at no-log.org> wrote:

> Le 10/11/2011 19:34, Adam Abair a ?crit :
> > In downloading the 6 programs necessary for Scribus 1.4.0 RC6, five
> > of the six programs downloaded without a problem.  But I have run
> > into a problem trying to download the GhostScript Suite.  When I
> > get to the dialog box asking the question: Do you want to open or
> > save this file? [ghostscript-9.04.tar bz2  / 28.4 MB] -- I get
> > trapped in an endless loop when I click either "Save" or "Open."
> >
> > When I click on "Save," I get the option "Open."  But when I click
> > on the option "Open," the screen blinks once and nothing happens.
> > No matter how many times I try, the same endless loop takes place.
> > None of the drop down options revealed by the drop down arrows that
> > appear next to the "Save" or "Open" buttons changes this endless
> > loop.
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > (1)  Why won't the GhostScript Suite download?  (What am I doing
> > wrong?);
> >
> > (2)  If I cannot successfully download the GhostScript Suite, will
> > Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro work successfully with Scribus 1.4.0 RC6 to
> > create PDF cover files acceptable to LSI?
> >
> > Adam
> 
> 6 programs ? Strange, i only need one : scribus.
> 
> AFAIK Scribus does not use ghostscript to produce PDFs so it shouldnt
> be a problem.
> 
> JLuc

-- 

Ghostscript is needed to import or export ps or eps files. It
should be installed BEFORE Scribus is installed. There are times
when importing an eps file, or saving a ps file, is useful. For
example although Scribus has a built-in barcode mechanism it is
more convenient in many case to just use the bookland facility to
get a single eps file with both barcodes and the ocrb text
included and properly arranged.  The most convenient way to use an
LSI cover template is to import it as an eps file. I don't like to use
the LSI template but it is apparently mandatory for books with color
interiors.

In addition to Ghostscript a well-endowed Scribus computer will
also have Gimp and TeX installed, since Scribus can make use of
both. Fortunately Linux usually comes with both. 

It might help to know what OS the original poster is using. I
assume MSWin. 

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:03:13 -0700
From: Mike Sleger <chappa-ai at q.com>
To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
Subject: Re: [scribus] interesting article with thoughts for us
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On Nov 10, 2011, at 7:55 AM, john Culleton wrote:

> Users can and should keep up with the latest version, 1.4.0.

Except that the latest version (1.4.0) is not actually a version yet - it's a "release candidate", and not "officially stable" yet.  There is a BIG difference in text rendering between RC6 and RC5.  If these kinds of layout changes commonly occur between releases (including candidates), users would have a full-time career just in reworking their documents to keep pace with the code changes.  (Not all code changes are simply to implement new features.  Some of them royally screw up the carefully laid out arrangement of a user's document, and they might not WANT to keep up with the latest "version".)

Mike

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:06:56 +0100
From: Stefan <stmstmstmster at googlemail.com>
To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
Subject: Re: [scribus] Transparency Simulation if your commercial
    printer does not allow transparency
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thanks for the Reader tipp, did not know that it flattens.

On my project all png transparency was lost after selecting X-3
format, too bad!

2011/11/9 Andreas Vox <avox at arcor.de>:
> Stefan <stmstmstmster at ...> writes:
>
>> Most printers do not accept transparent vector art in a pdf.
>> Scribus cannot "flatten" a file so it look transparent, so:
>
>> My workaround for simple transparency stuff like
>> half-transparent background over a picture, for easy readable text:
>
>> use a special png-graphic
> ...
>> The resulting PDF is accepted by all offset printers i use.
>
>> There some are WYSIWYG-probs. Always check the pdf before printing from it.
>
> Interesting. AFAIK png-graphics with alpha channel are still outside the PDF 1.3
> spec, so your approach might as well result in a 100% white box on top of the
> background image. The correct approach would be to combine the background
> image and the white transparent box inside Gimp and place that image in
> Scribus.
>
> The best way is to create a PDF with transparency (1.4) and print that from
> Adobe Reader (or Adobe Acrobat if available) to PS. AR includes a very good
> transparency flattener that will transform any transparent objects into pieces
> of non-transparent objects where transparency is already blended with the
> background. When you have the PDF, you can transform it back to a PDF with
> ps2pdf.
>
> When you use Ghostscript's ps2pdf13 on a PDF 1.4 file it does something less
> sophisticated that results in large bitmaps (That's also the program Scribus
> uses when it creates version 1.3 PDFs)
>
> /Andreas
>
>
>
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