[scribus] scribus Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
Brenda Ann Eckels
brendaanneckels at gmail.com
Wed Sep 11 17:49:16 UTC 2013
Re: photoshop versus GIMP and scripting....
Thank you to everyone that posted ideas and thoughts!
Photoshop vs. GIMP: Typically, our volunteers, who are all single parents,
have very little computer knowledge beyond using facebook or yahoo.
Equally often, they are not high school graduates.
What we typically teach them for Photoshop most of you folks would call
very basic editing. When someone shows a real aptitude for graphic design,
then we do everything we can to get as much educational materials to them.
However, most of the real world applications that they use photoshop for is
in an office setting where they may be asked to do mild cropping, editing,
or resizing. For most of the volunteers, what we are trying to do is give
them the ability to list on a resume a well known graphics product and to
say they have "x" amount of experience in "a, b, and c".
My concern is that the typical HR person hiring an LNA at a nursing home
who sees GIMP won't know what it is, and won't know that this candidate
might be able to put together the resident newsletter (one of the unpaid
jobs at nursing homes that can help advance your career).
Portable Scribus isn't as well known, but that is usually saved for the
interview, where the volunteer is given extra copies of projects they have
done in Scribus as a handout. So, the issue of name recognition isn't as
serious. In the case of Scribus, when we have a volunteer that shows an
early aptitude, we try very hard to help them get approved for college
level instruction at one of the community colleges that will let them start
while still working on a GED. At that point, they meet the required hours
with schooling, and no longer work for the ministry.
If I start using scripting, it would only work if I teach the volunteers
how to do the scripting itself. Considering the mountain of stuff they
have to learn - while also getting our work done - before the 5 year cutoff
of benefits, it is a pretty daunting challenge and some of them just will
not be able to tackle scripting at all.
What I would love is a "product" that volunteers could be taught to
download and install immediately after installing Scribus that would take
many common functions and create a gui interface for them that a
non-professional and non-programmer would be able to use. Of course, the
interface would merely build and run the script - but that piece would be
mostly invisible to the end user.
The trick in both cases for me as Executive Director, is that I have to
keep a mix of volunteers so I don't suffer brain drain when someone either
gets approved for college or finds employment. That means that as people
gain in proficiency at job skills, I have to remember my ultimate job is to
get them graduated and out the door to a paying job that pays enough to get
them off welfare for good. The days I have one really good scribus user are
pretty limited!
The final challenge I have is that, diagnosed with MS in 2006, I am quite
frankly not the geek I once was when I ran a systems integration and web
design firm in the 1990's. I myself am having problems trying to learn
scripting for scribus - which is pathetic considering I learned COBOL at
the age of 11. (On punch card Burrough's L series! Ohh, go google it or
check a museum...you will laugh!)
So, I have to figure out creative cheap ways to teach volunteers about
scribus, Windows XP, OpenOffice, Quicken, Quickbooks, Firefox, and more
(thank God for Youtube!) but now, I frequently don't know the material I am
teaching.
Aside from solving my own problems, I am hoping that once in a while I can
give those of you who are developing a sort of "how the real world works"
kind of outlook. At least as to how it works to teach open source stuff to
a captive audience who will hopefully spread the use of it throughout their
lives. Worked for Apple, right?
By the way, yes, we need volunteers for everything: to teach, fundraise,
serve on boards, cover when I am sick, you name it. We would love to find
someone to donate a garage or something we can put an office in, would love
to start training my replacement, and we are in Rochester, New Hampshire
USA. OK, commercial advertisement over!
Again, thank you all for your help!
Brenda
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> 1. Re: Someone likes coding for windows?! (john Culleton)
> 2. No zoom smaller than 10% (Stefano Danzi)
> 3. Re: No zoom smaller than 10% (Gregory Pittman)
> 4. Re: No zoom smaller than 10% (Stefano Danzi)
> 5. Re: No zoom smaller than 10% (Gregory Pittman)
> 6. Re: No zoom smaller than 10% (Stefano Danzi)
> 7. Re: No zoom smaller than 10% (Owen)
> 8. Re: No zoom smaller than 10% (Stefano Danzi)
> 9. Re: Saving pictures from clipboard (Rolf-Werner Eilert)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:48:29 -0400
> From: john Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com>
> To: scribus at lists.scribus.net
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Someone likes coding for windows?!
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> On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 03:26:17 -0700 (PDT)
> Murray Strome <wmstrome at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > J:? wrote:
> >
> > On 07/09/2013 14:59, Brenda Ann Eckels wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > The volunteers working with
> > > scribus also learn an older version of Photoshop if that helps.
> >
> > I found a lot of old versions of Photoshop were quite unstable, at
> > least under windows.
> >
> > If you get them working with Gimp (not a hard transition, and
> > available under windows), you'll get better stability, and I think
> > better usability. Gimp is also free.
> >
> >
> > Cheers, J/.
> > ---------------
> > GIMP is very powerful and Open Source, and available for all
> > platforms. There are many good tutorials available for it. However,
> > with the power comes complexity which can be daunting. If you want
> > something that is much easier to use, and very intuitive (but not as
> > powerful), you might consider Picasa which is free, but not open
> > source.
> >
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> Gimp has two important limitations. First, it creates and modifies only
> bitmap files. For vector file creation use Inkscape. Second it only
> works in the RGB color model. That is fine for the web, not so fine
> for printing. In addition The postscript handling tools are limited and
> haven't been updated in a long time.
>
> Gimp is still my tool of choice for increasing color saturation or
> reducing a color image to grayscale. Resizing is also easy in Gimp.
> And the logo filters give special effects on text for titles etc.
>
> --
> John Culleton
> Wexford Press
> Free list of books for self-publishers:
> http://wexfordpress.net/shortlist.html
> PDF e-book: "Create Book Covers with Scribus"
> available at http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 17:53:53 +0200
> From: Stefano Danzi <s.danzi at hawai.it>
> To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
> Subject: [scribus] No zoom smaller than 10%
> Message-ID: <522DEF11.8000904 at hawai.it>
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> Hello,
>
> I have to create a PDF with page size 610x122cm (large banner advertising).
> Page is too large for my screen and I can't select a zoom smaller than 10%.
>
> Someone has the same problem?
>
> Scribus 1.4.3 Win32
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:07:38 -0400
> From: Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
> To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] No zoom smaller than 10%
> Message-ID: <522DF24A.40008 at iglou.com>
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> On 09/09/2013 11:53 AM, Stefano Danzi wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have to create a PDF with page size 610x122cm (large banner
> advertising).
> > Page is too large for my screen and I can't select a zoom smaller than
> 10%.
> >
> > Someone has the same problem?
> >
>
> Here is how to manage this. The 10% is relative to whatever default size
> you have, so go to Preferences > Display.
>
> Shrink the Adjust Display Size down as far as you need to have your
> entire banner on screen.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 18:53:55 +0200
> From: Stefano Danzi <s.danzi at hawai.it>
> To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] No zoom smaller than 10%
> Message-ID: <522DFD23.4090604 at hawai.it>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>
> Il 09/09/2013 18.07, Gregory Pittman ha scritto:
> > Here is how to manage this. The 10% is relative to whatever default size
> > you have, so go to Preferences > Display.
> >
> > Shrink the Adjust Display Size down as far as you need to have your
> > entire banner on screen.
> >
> > Greg
> >
>
> This workaround is ok!
>
> But I think that Scribus has to permit any zoom level from 0,01% to
> actual maximum.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:50:37 -0400
> From: Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
> To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] No zoom smaller than 10%
> Message-ID: <522E187D.6030906 at iglou.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 09/09/2013 12:53 PM, Stefano Danzi wrote:
> >
> > Il 09/09/2013 18.07, Gregory Pittman ha scritto:
> >> Here is how to manage this. The 10% is relative to whatever default size
> >> you have, so go to Preferences > Display.
> >>
> >> Shrink the Adjust Display Size down as far as you need to have your
> >> entire banner on screen.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >
> > This workaround is ok!
> >
> > But I think that Scribus has to permit any zoom level from 0,01% to
> > actual maximum.
>
> Hmm.
> Something I would wonder about is how does one work at zoom levels like
> this? It would seem that it might be good to be reminded that the zoom
> is so low/high so that you do some checking at more usual sorts of
> magnification.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:09:57 +0200
> From: Stefano Danzi <s.danzi at hawai.it>
> To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] No zoom smaller than 10%
> Message-ID: <522EC5C5.3000706 at hawai.it>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> Il 09/09/2013 20.50, Gregory Pittman ha scritto:
> > Hmm.
> > Something I would wonder about is how does one work at zoom levels like
> > this? It would seem that it might be good to be reminded that the zoom
> > is so low/high so that you do some checking at more usual sorts of
> > magnification.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
>
> The standart maximum size of PDF is 5.4864 meters.
> So I can crate a PDF of 5.4864 x 5.4864 meters, and Scribus allow to
> create it (In reality it allow a bigger size....)
>
> If Scribut allow this size is logical that it has to permit to decrease
> zoom level at least until document fit the screen.
>
> I do not think it makes sense to limit the zoom to 10%.
> Others publishing softwares follow the logic I've described above.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:43:38 +1000
> From: "Owen" <rcook at pcug.org.au>
> To: "Scribus User Mailing List" <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] No zoom smaller than 10%
> Message-ID:
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> I am not sure what the problem is.
>
> With no document open, Go to File->Preferences->Tools->Zoom and set
> your minimum forever.
>
>
> If the document is already open, just go to File->Document and do the
> same procedure as above
>
>
>
> Owen
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Il 09/09/2013 20.50, Gregory Pittman ha scritto:
> >> Hmm.
> >> Something I would wonder about is how does one work at zoom levels
> >> like
> >> this? It would seem that it might be good to be reminded that the
> >> zoom
> >> is so low/high so that you do some checking at more usual sorts of
> >> magnification.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The standart maximum size of PDF is 5.4864 meters.
> > So I can crate a PDF of 5.4864 x 5.4864 meters, and Scribus allow to
> > create it (In reality it allow a bigger size....)
> >
> > If Scribut allow this size is logical that it has to permit to
> > decrease
> > zoom level at least until document fit the screen.
> >
> > I do not think it makes sense to limit the zoom to 10%.
> > Others publishing softwares follow the logic I've described above.
> >
> >
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> --
> Owen
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:59:41 +0200
> From: Stefano Danzi <s.danzi at hawai.it>
> To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
> Subject: Re: [scribus] No zoom smaller than 10%
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>
> Il 10/09/2013 9.43, Owen ha scritto:
> > I am not sure what the problem is.
> >
> > With no document open, Go to File->Preferences->Tools->Zoom and set
> > your minimum forever.
> >
> >
> > If the document is already open, just go to File->Document and do the
> > same procedure as above
> >
> >
> >
> > Owen
>
> WOW! Thanks!!
> Now it is working correctly!
> I had not seen that setting...
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:54:35 +0200
> From: Rolf-Werner Eilert <eilert-sprachen at t-online.de>
> To: scribus at lists.scribus.net
> Subject: Re: [scribus] Saving pictures from clipboard
> Message-ID: <522EDE4B.80206 at t-online.de>
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>
>
> Am 09.09.2013 13:47, schrieb Gregory Pittman:
> > On 09/09/2013 05:18 AM, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
> >> We had a thread about what way might be most sensible to store .sla
> >> files and related files in. Scribus doesn't save pictures within its
> >> .sla but only the relative paths to them.
> >>
> >> Over the weekend I stumbled over this one: When I insert a picture from
> >> the clipboard, it seems Scribus does save it within its .sla. I had a
> >> document with some test pictures which came over the clipboard into some
> >> image frames, and they still appear when I re-open it ;-)
> >>
> >> Am I right?
> >>
> >> Rolf
> >>
> >> P. S. the documentation doesn't say anything about this, or did I miss
> >> the link?
> >
> > I think you missed something, because there isn't any way for Scribus to
> > save image data in the file.
> >
> > Greg
> >
>
>
> But where are they stored then? I pushed the .sla to Dropbox and copied
> it into another folder on my office computer, and the pictures are still
> there.
>
> On my laptop they existed - in that form - only as unstored working
> copies in the Gimp before, were copied into the clipboard and then
> inserted into the Scribus document.
>
> Rolf
>
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