[scribus] advice on adding "alt" text

[Wayne DePrince Jr.]

On gio, 2014-04-24 at 18:02 -0400, Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote: 

> On gio, 2014-04-17 at 21:28 -0400, Gregory Pittman wrote: 
> 
> > On 04/17/2014 07:58 PM, Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote:
> > >
> > >   thanks again.  so if i follow correctly, the separate text frames 
> > > are the only way to do this, as there is no "alternate text" option 
> > > for vector graphics/etc. in Scribus and PDFs?
> > >
> > This is something that would need some expansion of current capabilities.
> > 
> > Conceivably, one could now make some annotation frames containing the 
> > text. This would be searchable in a PDF, but a side effect is the 
> > appearance of the icon in the document indicating there is a note. 
> 
> 
>     this was my initial idea, but as you say this results in icons
> throughout the document.
> 
> 
> > Hovering over the note shows you the text, and you can use Edit > Search 
> > in Adobe Reader to search for some text in a comment. AFAIK, these icons 
> > never print when you print the PDF. You can hide the comments in the 
> > PDF, but then they are no longer searchable, so you might need to switch 
> > back and forth from showing/hiding. By definition, annotation frame text 
> > doesn't show, so its color in Scribus doesn't matter.
> > 
> > Perhaps another but undeveloped option would be to add to the 
> > capabilities of object attributes, which are currently very limited. 
> > There still would be only a certain amount of text one could add, and I 
> > don't know that these attributes end up anywhere in the PDF.
> 
> 
>     thanks for this idea.  i did try adding text via attributes, but it
> does not seem to show up in the PDF, at least as searchable text.  this
> would be very useful and a much simpler way to give non-text elements
> (i.e. polylines, images, etc.) some searchable text metadata.  should i
> make a feature request?
> 
> 
> > 
> > And it's worth mentioning that using your method, you can also assign 
> > text in a frame a color of None.
> 
> 
>     i tried this as well, and while indeed the text is not visible, it
> is also not searchable when color is set to None.  so far using color
> Black (or any color besides None) and 0% transparency is the only way i
> have found to have the text frames hidden while still searchable.


    after sending this email, on a whim i tried setting the text frame's
"Saturation of color of text fill" property (found under
Properties/Text/Color & Effects for a text frame) to 0% while leaving
the color Black and the frame transparency at 100%.  fortunately this
works as intended: in the resulting PDF the text frame's text is
invisible (under its associated vector graphic in my case) but still
searchable.  this method benefits from the fact that a text frame's
"Saturation of color of text fill" property can be set as a character
style, allowing all hidden text to set/updated to an "invisible but
searchable" style.

    of course a single "alternate text" property or metadata attribute
that resulted in the same end result (i.e. searchable hidden text inside
the PDF) would still be preferable, but this seems like a good solution
for the present capabilities of Scribus.

    thanks again.

peace, w



> 
>     thanks again for your help.
> 
> peace, w
> 
> 
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
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