[scribus] solid in DTP tasks

[JLuc]

Le 17/11/2014 09:47, a.l.e a écrit :
> all i can say -- reiterate -- is that i would like a scribus that is more solid in those tasks that have to be made at a
> DTP level. possibly, at the cost of removing non core features that are not implemented in a way that is up to current standards.

I agree on this but to me the basic DTP tasks that needs care
are not Bézier curves - that's a feature for advanced users.

I'm more concerned with much more basics DTP features, like :
copy and paste (or import page) should not mess layout and styles,
undo endofparagraphe-delete should not mess  layout and styles,
text layout should not shrink in some special situations...
- just to mention some of the "most annoying bugs".

> when a task gets bigger and the care team gets smaller, one way to get the job done is to reduce the size of the task.
> of course, that's the not the only solution. you can also enlarge the team. or get along as good as possible without any
> change and hoping for the best.
> you're in the position of picking the one you prefer.

AFAICT The strategy of the dev team is different :
its to take the time it takes to do the job.

No fantasy here :-(
just real  :-)
limited but effective work.

Today, however, I'm a bit concerned with how this type of work will tackle
the basic DTP bugs (the one i mention at the begining of this mail)
that might require to dive deeper into the code.
JL


> i can't do more than complain on the mailing list.
> greetings from my fantasy cloud, in the middle of a big fog layer
> a.l.e
>
>>>>> Years a go, I ask the developers, to change the pe ’pen-tool’
>>>>> ’freehand-bezier’ (or what ever is the name of the tool) behaviour
>>>>> to be like in Inkscape, Freehand, Illustrator - now is the
>>>>> behavoiur is exactly invers, Sorry, my english is poor, I can’t
>>>>> explain in other wors. Just try to draw a contour around one a part
>>>>> of picture with ’pen tool’ in Scribus, and Inkscape and the
>>>>> difference will be evident (obviuos). Nothing change for now. Am I
>>>>> the lonely who have this problem?
>>> what about removing the pen tool?
>>>
>>> what's the use case?
>>> having the kids participate in your layout work?
>>>
>>> the result is so ugly. if somebody wants to draw a freehand
>>> line, she should use inkscape and import the svg from there.
>> Who is "she"? Seriously, there are various use cases, and the simple fact that you yourself don't consider a certain
>> feature useful doesn't mean others will as well. Moreover, *every* advanced DTP programme provides some basic drawing
>> tools, and rightfully so.
>>
>>> do one thing and do it well!
>> And what is the one thing Scribus does well and others don't?
>>
>>> imo, improving the "collaboration" with inkscape is in any case a better
>>> use of development time, than further improving our drawing tools.
>> If you were really interested in facts, rather than your own prejudices, you'd know that this is already underway,
>> albeit, for the time being, on a low level.
>>
>>
>>> as always, this email is not meant to produce any action. i'm probably
>>> just frustrated that, yesterday evening, i had to tell somebody that
>>> scribus is not good enough for her...
>> This is a meaningless statement, not the least because you didn't bother to tell us exactly why Scribus wasn't "good
>> enough" for her (and if your judgement was correct).
>>
>> I'm aware of many reasons as to why Scribus may not be "good enough" for particular purposes, but then my lawn mower
>> is completely unfit to serve as a fridge. I'm afraid that your answer may be the result of a lack of knowledge and
>> real-world experience.
>>
>> What I'm trying to say (not for the first time) is that you should probably leave your fantasy world and contact
>> people in the real world (especially those in the printing industry).
>>
>> I know that this sounds harsh, but I really have a hard time to get my head around your thinking. For once, get real!
>>
>>
>> Christoph
>>
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