From eilert-sprachen at t-online.de Wed Oct 1 10:42:42 2014 From: eilert-sprachen at t-online.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 12:42:42 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Red squares when loading texts Message-ID: <542BDAA2.1000903@t-online.de> Hi all, this is strange: We have used Scribus for many years on our school's server (terminal server) without any problems. My own Scribus runs flawlessly. So does one Scribus for one of the new students, but for all the others, there are only red squares when they import a text into a text frame. Even built-in text doesn't appear correctly. Only when they switch to Courier New, the text is shown. Seems to be a thing with fonts... But where should I start to look? Thanks for your input. Rolf From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Wed Oct 1 11:32:18 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:32:18 +0200 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connecting python 3 code to a c++ signal Message-ID: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> hi i'm trying to get the scripter to work again and port it to python3 and pyqt5 now, the signal defined in the c++ class does not seem to be visible in the python code https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-plugin-scripter/issues/5 does anybody around here have a clue how to solve the issue? ciao a.l.e From rcook at pcug.org.au Wed Oct 1 11:37:35 2014 From: rcook at pcug.org.au (Owen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 21:37:35 +1000 Subject: [scribus] Red squares when loading texts In-Reply-To: <542BDAA2.1000903@t-online.de> References: <542BDAA2.1000903@t-online.de> Message-ID: > Hi all, > > this is strange: We have used Scribus for many years on our school's > server (terminal server) without any problems. My own Scribus runs > flawlessly. > > So does one Scribus for one of the new students, but for all the > others, > there are only red squares when they import a text into a text frame. > Even built-in text doesn't appear correctly. Only when they switch to > Courier New, the text is shown. > > Seems to be a thing with fonts... But where should I start to look? > One suggestion. Before you open a new document, go to File->Preferences->Tools and have a look there Then have a look at File->Fonts -- Owen From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Wed Oct 1 19:18:33 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 21:18:33 +0200 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connecting python 3 code to a c++ signal In-Reply-To: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> References: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> Message-ID: <20141001211833.5a67a4ea@digiteis> hi i got a hint and could solve this specific issue... ... but now i'm stuck with a problem i don't understand in a function that i have no idea what is doing... we will see... i open a ticket on github... if anybody wants to help he / she can have a look in there! https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-plugin-scripter/issues/6 ciao a.l.e > hi > > i'm trying to get the scripter to work again and port it to python3 > and pyqt5 > > now, the signal defined in the c++ class does not seem to be visible > in the python code > > https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-plugin-scripter/issues/5 > > does anybody around here have a clue how to solve the issue? > > ciao > a.l.e > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From mheieis at alois.ca Wed Oct 1 19:36:48 2014 From: mheieis at alois.ca (Mark Heieis) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 12:36:48 -0700 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connecting python 3 code to a c++ signal In-Reply-To: <20141001211833.5a67a4ea@digiteis> References: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> <20141001211833.5a67a4ea@digiteis> Message-ID: <542C57D0.8010001@alois.ca> Hi Ale, I went through this process about a year ago. I wanted to get Qt5 and scripter 2 working. I remember solving this one. I think I was able to convert (almost?) everything, including the tests but haven't touched it for some time now. Where I got stuck was the with the difference in the slot architecture Having a quick look, I think, adding a str type solved the problem you indicated. variant_converter = { # XXX QList, QMap<*>, longlong "str": lambda v: unicode(v.toString()), ... } On 2014-10-01 12:18, ale rimoldi wrote: > hi > > i got a hint and could solve this specific issue... > > ... but now i'm stuck with a problem i don't understand in a function > that i have no idea what is doing... > > we will see... i open a ticket on github... if anybody wants to help > he / she can have a look in there! > > https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-plugin-scripter/issues/6 > > ciao > a.l.e > >> hi >> >> i'm trying to get the scripter to work again and port it to python3 >> and pyqt5 >> >> now, the signal defined in the c++ class does not seem to be visible >> in the python code >> >> https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-plugin-scripter/issues/5 >> >> does anybody around here have a clue how to solve the issue? >> >> ciao >> a.l.e >> >> ___ >> Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net >> Edit your options or unsubscribe: >> http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus >> See also: >> http://wiki.scribus.net >> http://forums.scribus.net > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Wed Oct 1 19:44:58 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 21:44:58 +0200 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connecting python 3 code to a c++ signal In-Reply-To: <542C57D0.8010001@alois.ca> References: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> <20141001211833.5a67a4ea@digiteis> <542C57D0.8010001@alois.ca> Message-ID: <20141001214458.77183e74@digiteis> hi mark thanks for the hint... > "str": lambda v: unicode(v.toString()), but it does not seem to solve the issue... placing a debugging line in from_variant() (the only place where variant_converter is used) shows that the code does not go through there... i've pushed the change, so you can check if i did the right thing... btw, would it possible to see your code? ciao a.l.e From mheieis at alois.ca Wed Oct 1 19:58:57 2014 From: mheieis at alois.ca (Mark Heieis) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 12:58:57 -0700 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connecting python 3 code to a c++ signal In-Reply-To: <20141001214458.77183e74@digiteis> References: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> <20141001211833.5a67a4ea@digiteis> <542C57D0.8010001@alois.ca> <20141001214458.77183e74@digiteis> Message-ID: <542C5D01.4070909@alois.ca> Ok. Let me clean the cobwebs of the code and my memory first. On 2014-10-01 12:44, ale rimoldi wrote: > hi mark > > thanks for the hint... > >> "str": lambda v: unicode(v.toString()), > but it does not seem to solve the issue... > > placing a debugging line in from_variant() (the only place where > variant_converter is used) shows that the code does not go through > there... > > i've pushed the change, so you can check if i did the right thing... > > > btw, would it possible to see your code? > > ciao > a.l.e > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From mheieis at alois.ca Wed Oct 1 22:55:44 2014 From: mheieis at alois.ca (Mark Heieis) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:55:44 -0700 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connecting python 3 code to a c++ signal In-Reply-To: <20141001214458.77183e74@digiteis> References: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> <20141001211833.5a67a4ea@digiteis> <542C57D0.8010001@alois.ca> <20141001214458.77183e74@digiteis> Message-ID: <542C8670.1090501@alois.ca> Checked for other changes, to variant_converter "QPoint": lambda v: v.toPoint(),qApp in the def wrap() function if isinstance(obj, QString): --> isinstance(obj, str): Sent my version of file mikro.py to you. Cheers, mrh. On 2014-10-01 12:44, ale rimoldi wrote: > hi mark > > thanks for the hint... > >> "str": lambda v: unicode(v.toString()), > but it does not seem to solve the issue... > > placing a debugging line in from_variant() (the only place where > variant_converter is used) shows that the code does not go through > there... > > i've pushed the change, so you can check if i did the right thing... > > > btw, would it possible to see your code? > > ciao > a.l.e > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From jluc at no-log.org Thu Oct 2 08:52:37 2014 From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:52:37 +0200 Subject: [scribus] New : Tutorial on gradient and pattern fills Message-ID: Here's Gary Pratchet latest - reasonably short - tutorial showing how you can make some simple "caution tape" using gradient fills and pattern fills. http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/How_to_make_your_own_caution_tape JL From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Thu Oct 2 10:03:23 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 12:03:23 +0200 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connecting python 3 code to a c++ signal In-Reply-To: <542C8670.1090501@alois.ca> References: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> <20141001211833.5a67a4ea@digiteis> <542C57D0.8010001@alois.ca> <20141001214458.77183e74@digiteis> <542C8670.1090501@alois.ca> Message-ID: <20141002120323.3e31ff86@digiteis> hi mark > Checked for other changes, > > to variant_converter > "QPoint": lambda v: v.toPoint(),qApp > > in the def wrap() function > > if isinstance(obj, QString): --> isinstance(obj, str): > > Sent my version of file mikro.py to you. sadly, the code still does not use variant_converter... so all changes over there have no influence on the current error. but your code help me: replacing "variant.type()" != with "not variant.type() is None" made the code better and helped me understanding, where the problem probably is. for some reason __getattr__ gets called when setting up the signal *but* the signal is not a property of the object (anymore). let's see if i can make one more step, now... ciao && thanks for your help a.l.e From mheieis at alois.ca Thu Oct 2 14:36:20 2014 From: mheieis at alois.ca (Mark Heieis) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 07:36:20 -0700 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connecting python 3 code to a c++ signal In-Reply-To: <20141002120323.3e31ff86@digiteis> References: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> <20141001211833.5a67a4ea@digiteis> <542C57D0.8010001@alois.ca> <20141001214458.77183e74@digiteis> <542C8670.1090501@alois.ca> <20141002120323.3e31ff86@digiteis> Message-ID: <542D62E4.5000105@alois.ca> Okay. I'll have to dig deeper. BTW which are you compiling for scripter or scripter2? Scripter2 for me. On 2014-10-02 03:03, ale rimoldi wrote: > hi mark > >> Checked for other changes, >> >> to variant_converter >> "QPoint": lambda v: v.toPoint(),qApp >> >> in the def wrap() function >> >> if isinstance(obj, QString): --> isinstance(obj, str): >> >> Sent my version of file mikro.py to you. > > sadly, the code still does not use variant_converter... so all changes > over there have no influence on the current error. > > but your code help me: replacing "variant.type()" != with "not > variant.type() is None" made the code better and helped me > understanding, where the problem probably is. > > for some reason __getattr__ gets called when setting up the signal > *but* the signal is not a property of the object (anymore). > > > let's see if i can make one more step, now... > > > ciao && thanks for your help > a.l.e > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Thu Oct 2 14:51:02 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 16:51:02 +0200 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connecting python 3 code to a c++ signal In-Reply-To: <542D62E4.5000105@alois.ca> References: <20141001133218.49209982@digiteis> <20141001211833.5a67a4ea@digiteis> <542C57D0.8010001@alois.ca> <20141001214458.77183e74@digiteis> <542C8670.1090501@alois.ca> <20141002120323.3e31ff86@digiteis> <542D62E4.5000105@alois.ca> Message-ID: <20141002165102.1156f45c@digiteis> hi mark, > Okay. I'll have to dig deeper. BTW which are you compiling for > scripter or scripter2? Scripter2 for me. yep, the new scripter... the 1.4 scripter is basically in maintenance mode... ciao a-l-e From olivier.berten at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 19:58:33 2014 From: olivier.berten at gmail.com (Olivier Berten) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 21:58:33 +0200 Subject: [scribus] ScribusOIF / Indic support / Text Layout Engine Message-ID: Hi! Is there any development in the new text layout engine that was supposed to be a priority back in 2006 ? How about the OIF and indic branches which were supposed to bring support for more languages? Olivier From deco33000 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 6 08:46:24 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 10:46:24 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Need an api/direct set for levels Message-ID: Hello, it would be *very* nice to have a programmatic way to set a level for an object.I have 1300 objects and clicking again and again to reach 884 is absolutely boring. Maybe a textarea, enabling the user to enter the number he/she wants close to the arrows ?If I missed something, please tell me :) Bye and thanks for this great piece of hardware -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jluc at no-log.org Mon Oct 6 08:58:55 2014 From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 10:58:55 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Need an api/direct set for levels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Le 06/10/2014 10:46, Jog Lie a ?crit : > it would be *very* nice to have a programmatic way to set a level for an object.I have 1300 objects and clicking again and again to reach 884 is absolutely boring. > Maybe a textarea, enabling the user to enter the number he/she wants close to the arrows ?If I missed something, please tell me :) > Bye and thanks for this great piece of hardware Have you looked at the python scripter ? I'm not sure about it. But have you looked at the SLA ? Its a xml-kind text of file. You can read it, discover its undocumented structure, and programmaticaly edit it as much as you wish. JLuc From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Mon Oct 6 10:05:32 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:05:32 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Need an api/direct set for levels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5432696C.2030406@xox.ch> hi jog, > it would be *very* nice to have a programmatic way to set a level for an object.I have 1300 objects and clicking again and again to reach 884 is absolutely boring. > Maybe a textarea, enabling the user to enter the number he/she wants close to the arrows ?If I missed something, please tell me :) > i don't think that level should be used to set a specific level. basically, you should not know that an item is at the level 884 nor care about it. only the "relative levels" should matter. as far as i know, this is how most (if not all) programs work. you should be able to reach your goal by moving items to the top / bottom and than move up and down a few levels. separate your items by layer if it does not work. two further remarks from my side: - it could be useful to add (to the align and distribute dialog?) a way to move an item above / below another item (first selected / last selected) - scripting could be useful, but... ciao a.l.e From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Mon Oct 6 12:04:41 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:04:41 +0200 Subject: [scribus] ScribusOIF / Indic support / Text Layout Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54328559.5070400@xox.ch> hi oliver on the one side, anil took pierre's code and did lot of work to get scribus to work with indic languages and produced a binary that -- afaik -- is currently used in production. a small group of people (anil included) is currently setting up a project to clean up the code and find a way to create patches that can be included into the trunk. on another path, the team seems to be in touch with a group of developers that are working on getting scribus to work with arabic. who knows, maybe one day... ciao a.l.e > Hi! > > Is there any development in the new text layout engine that was > supposed to be a priority back in 2006 > ? > How about the OIF and indic branches which were supposed to bring > support for more languages? > > Olivier > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From gpittman at iglou.com Mon Oct 6 12:38:17 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 08:38:17 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Need an api/direct set for levels In-Reply-To: <5432696C.2030406@xox.ch> References: <5432696C.2030406@xox.ch> Message-ID: <54328D39.2060403@iglou.com> On 10/06/2014 06:05 AM, a.l.e wrote: > hi jog, > >> it would be *very* nice to have a programmatic way to set a level for >> an object.I have 1300 objects and clicking again and again to reach >> 884 is absolutely boring. >> Maybe a textarea, enabling the user to enter the number he/she wants >> close to the arrows ?If I missed something, please tell me :) >> > > i don't think that level should be used to set a specific level. > basically, you should not know that an item is at the level 884 nor care > about it. only the "relative levels" should matter. > > as far as i know, this is how most (if not all) programs work. > > you should be able to reach your goal by moving items to the top / > bottom and than move up and down a few levels. > > separate your items by layer if it does not work. > > two further remarks from my side: > - it could be useful to add (to the align and distribute dialog?) a way > to move an item above / below another item (first selected / last > selected) > - scripting could be useful, but... > I think all these suggestions are good, but there must be some sort of miscommunication or misunderstanding. Levels are unique to an object. You cannot have two objects on the same level. OTOH, as pointed out by a.l.e, you can create and use Layers and have multiple objects on the same layer, each with its own level. When you move something up or down in the levels, it is relative to its current level and objects above and below. An entire layer can also be moved up or down, relative to other layers. Greg From jluc at no-log.org Mon Oct 6 12:53:42 2014 From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:53:42 +0200 Subject: [scribus] ScribusOIF / Indic support / Text Layout Engine In-Reply-To: <54328559.5070400@xox.ch> References: <54328559.5070400@xox.ch> Message-ID: Le 06/10/2014 14:04, a.l.e a ?crit : > on the one side, anil took pierre's code and did lot of work to get scribus to work with indic languages and produced a > binary that -- afaik -- is currently used in production. > a small group of people (anil included) is currently setting up a project to clean up the code and find a way to create > patches that can be included into the trunk. > on another path, the team seems to be in touch with a group of developers that are working on getting scribus to work > with arabic. These have been good news at some point in Scribus history but are there any recent news about this works ? (recent being : less than 6 months old) JLuc > who knows, maybe one day... > > ciao > a.l.e > >> Hi! >> >> Is there any development in the new text layout engine that was >> supposed to be a priority back in 2006 >> ? >> How about the OIF and indic branches which were supposed to bring >> support for more languages? >> >> Olivier >> >> ___ >> Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net >> Edit your options or unsubscribe: >> http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus >> See also: >> http://wiki.scribus.net >> http://forums.scribus.net > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net > From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Mon Oct 6 13:18:47 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 15:18:47 +0200 Subject: [scribus] ScribusOIF / Indic support / Text Layout Engine In-Reply-To: References: <54328559.5070400@xox.ch> Message-ID: <543296B7.8050507@xox.ch> hey > Le 06/10/2014 14:04, a.l.e a ?crit : >> on the one side, anil took pierre's code and did lot of work to get >> scribus to work with indic languages and produced a >> binary that -- afaik -- is currently used in production. >> a small group of people (anil included) is currently setting up a >> project to clean up the code and find a way to create >> patches that can be included into the trunk. >> on another path, the team seems to be in touch with a group of >> developers that are working on getting scribus to work >> with arabic. > > These have been good news at some point in Scribus history > but are there any recent news about this works ? > (recent being : less than 6 months old) for what i know of: no news concerning actual work in the last six months, either. this might and should change during the next week(s). but i don't think i'm entitled to write about other people's work before they have done it :-) and i'm sure that you don't want to hear about plans, but about facts! tsch? a.l.e From deco33000 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 6 18:34:53 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 20:34:53 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Need an api/direct set for levels In-Reply-To: <54328D39.2060403@iglou.com> References: , <5432696C.2030406@xox.ch>, <54328D39.2060403@iglou.com> Message-ID: Yes, Will do that. By the way, Scripter does not have a setter for levels ! Thanks you all ! Jog > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 08:38:17 -0400 > From: gpittman at iglou.com > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Subject: Re: [scribus] Need an api/direct set for levels > > On 10/06/2014 06:05 AM, a.l.e wrote: > > hi jog, > > > >> it would be *very* nice to have a programmatic way to set a level for > >> an object.I have 1300 objects and clicking again and again to reach > >> 884 is absolutely boring. > >> Maybe a textarea, enabling the user to enter the number he/she wants > >> close to the arrows ?If I missed something, please tell me :) > >> > > > > i don't think that level should be used to set a specific level. > > basically, you should not know that an item is at the level 884 nor care > > about it. only the "relative levels" should matter. > > > > as far as i know, this is how most (if not all) programs work. > > > > you should be able to reach your goal by moving items to the top / > > bottom and than move up and down a few levels. > > > > separate your items by layer if it does not work. > > > > two further remarks from my side: > > - it could be useful to add (to the align and distribute dialog?) a way > > to move an item above / below another item (first selected / last > > selected) > > - scripting could be useful, but... > > > > I think all these suggestions are good, but there must be some sort of > miscommunication or misunderstanding. > > Levels are unique to an object. You cannot have two objects on the same > level. OTOH, as pointed out by a.l.e, you can create and use Layers and > have multiple objects on the same layer, each with its own level. When > you move something up or down in the levels, it is relative to its > current level and objects above and below. > > An entire layer can also be moved up or down, relative to other layers. > > Greg > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you decide to go the autobahn way, you have to recreate the "exotic" logic. There should be a way to "lock" a master page to a page, no matter what happens. That way, we could recreate the whole document just by resetting the odd/even pattern. Everything would be nice. Since we are there, how to manage a document with a pattern like "master1,master2,master3,master1,master2,master3..." in case of a mistake with content adding ? Lot of questions but Scribus is very nice Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gpittman at iglou.com Mon Oct 6 23:41:10 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:41:10 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Need an api/direct set for levels In-Reply-To: References: , <5432696C.2030406@xox.ch>, <54328D39.2060403@iglou.com> Message-ID: <54332896.60907@iglou.com> On 10/06/2014 02:34 PM, Jog Lie wrote: > Yes, > > Will do that. > By the way, Scripter does not have a setter for levels ! > > There are two commands: moveSelectionToBack() and moveSelectionToFront() With a loop and the appropriate logic, you could rearrange all the objects on a page however you see fit. Greg From gpittman at iglou.com Tue Oct 7 00:21:50 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:21:50 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5433321E.3070901@iglou.com> On 10/06/2014 02:49 PM, Jog Lie wrote: > Hello, > > While using Scribus with a large number of elements, I kept having an issue : > > Let's put reproducible context: > > 1) Say you have a document of 70 pages. > 2) You have 5 different master pages. > 3) Set the two first master pages up with an even/odd logic. Your whole doc is now one master1/master2/master1 ... > 4) You think you are finished with the doc but at the very last moment, a colleague of yours comes with eight pages to add at position 14,15,24,26,14,37,41,58,. > 5) But pages 32,33 has master page "master3", pages 20,23,34,38,45,47 "master4" and pages 7,9,14,15,51 "master5". > 6) Everything is messed up. If you keep the "exotic" logic, then you will have to set up manually the odd/even pattern (boring). If you decide to go the autobahn way, you have to recreate the "exotic" logic. > > There should be a way to "lock" a master page to a page, no matter what happens. That way, we could recreate the whole document just by resetting the odd/even pattern. Everything would be nice. > > There is a locking, just perhaps not what you're looking for at the moment, even though some other time you may want it that way. If you assign a master page to a page, the assignment is locked until you change it. For a left-right-left-right situation, you would have to reassign your pattern after adding a page in the middle: left-right-new-left-right. One thing worth looking at is Windows > Arrange Pages. To simply view your pages, click down through them. If you find a mistake in master page assignment, drag the correct one from the top to the page icon. If you double-click on a master page, the main view changes to a view of the master page. You can also leave the Arrange Pages dialog open while you edit pages or master pages. Something I don't find, though, is a way to assign master pages from Scripter. Finally, with your last situation of having master1, master2, master3 as a pattern, here is where you would want a 3-fold layout. When you do this, what you also create is a separate Normal master page for each of the pages in sets of 3 : Normal Left, Normal Middle, and Normal Right, and by default they are already assigned. So by editing these 3 normals you have your pattern. Once again, Arrange Pages can fix problems when new pages might get put in the middle. Greg From peter at nermander.se Tue Oct 7 05:12:27 2014 From: peter at nermander.se (Peter Nermander) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 07:12:27 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order Message-ID: > There should be a way to "lock" a master page to a page, no matter what > happens. That way, we could recreate the whole document just by resetting > the odd/even pattern. Everything would be nice. > > When you apply a Master Page to a range of pages you can (as far as I remember) choose to add it to just odd or just even pages within the range. That can help a bit. (Or is it just a choice between range, odd, all or even?) /Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deco33000 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 10:09:39 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 12:09:39 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, The arrange page is a solution but not optimal. I still have to rearrange when in a odd/even logic. If the number of pages to add is even, it is ok but if it is odd (say 3 pages), then troubles are the same. So I think that for the 1.5.x it would be nice to add an option "keep relative logic" which would follow the already existing layout. I propose those steps : 1) create your document. 2) create your master pages. There should have a keyword like "mymaster_O" and "mymaster_E" that will give the engine a hint on what the artist want to do. The interesting part is "_O" and "_E" for odd and even. Only one template can be named with "_O" and one with "_E" since they express the whole document logic. When the engine sees those suffixes, it knows that it is the underlying of the doc. When you add a page, you don't see the "_E" or "_O" anymore, just the common prefix "mymaster" not to confuse user in the page options. By the way, that option is preselected instead of the "normal" layout". The pages are automatically adjusted and the following one will follow EXCEPT if they are of a different master name. In which case, they remain untouched. 3) Be happy. If the document doesn't have those "_E" or "_O", then the current logic is applied. Everyone is satisfied. It can be a HUGE productivity gain on large document and can tract more users to use Scribus. Your opinion ? Thanks > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 07:12:27 +0200 > From: peter at nermander.se > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > > There should be a way to "lock" a master page to a page, no matter what > > happens. That way, we could recreate the whole document just by resetting > > the odd/even pattern. Everything would be nice. > > > > > When you apply a Master Page to a range of pages you can (as far as I > remember) choose to add it to just odd or just even pages within the range. > That can help a bit. > > (Or is it just a choice between range, odd, all or even?) > > /Peter > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Tue Oct 7 11:06:12 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:06:12 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> hi as somebody said long time ago (and got a mention for it in a book. with picture): even master pages should go to the the even side and odd ones on the odd side. of course, you can use the extension you prefer, but, please, we should, not, have, a logic, for them, in scribus. (if you need a reason for it: in italian it will be _P and _D... and scribus should automatically translate them according to the UI language? brrrr...) i guess that the solution is somehow simple: in non single page layouts, the master pages should be edited in a multiple page view and not as single pages. a simple solution, but somebody has to program it. any volunteer? ciao a.l.e > Yes, > > The arrange page is a solution but not optimal. I still have to rearrange when in a odd/even logic. If the number of pages to add is even, it is ok but if it is odd (say 3 pages), then troubles are the same. > > So I think that for the 1.5.x it would be nice to add an option "keep relative logic" which would follow the already existing layout. > I propose those steps : > > > 1) create your document. > 2) create your master pages. > There should have a keyword like "mymaster_O" and "mymaster_E" that will give the engine a hint on what the artist want to do. > The interesting part is "_O" and "_E" for odd and even. > Only one template can be named with "_O" and one with "_E" since they express the whole document logic. > When the engine sees those suffixes, it knows that it is the underlying of the doc. > When you add a page, you don't see the "_E" or "_O" anymore, just the common prefix "mymaster" not to confuse user in the page options. By the way, that option is preselected instead of the "normal" layout". > The pages are automatically adjusted and the following one will follow EXCEPT if they are of a different master name. In which case, they remain untouched. > 3) Be happy. > > If the document doesn't have those "_E" or "_O", then the current logic is applied. Everyone is satisfied. > > It can be a HUGE productivity gain on large document and can tract more users to use Scribus. > > Your opinion ? > > Thanks > >> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 07:12:27 +0200 >> From: peter at nermander.se >> To: scribus at lists.scribus.net >> Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order >> >>> There should be a way to "lock" a master page to a page, no matter what >>> happens. That way, we could recreate the whole document just by resetting >>> the odd/even pattern. Everything would be nice. >>> >>> >> When you apply a Master Page to a range of pages you can (as far as I >> remember) choose to add it to just odd or just even pages within the range. >> That can help a bit. >> >> (Or is it just a choice between range, odd, all or even?) >> >> /Peter >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> ___ >> Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net >> Edit your options or unsubscribe: >> http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus >> See also: >> http://wiki.scribus.net >> http://forums.scribus.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From gpittman at iglou.com Tue Oct 7 12:31:19 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:31:19 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> References: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> Message-ID: <5433DD17.90107@iglou.com> On 10/07/2014 07:06 AM, a.l.e wrote: > hi > > as somebody said long time ago (and got a mention for it in a book. with > picture): even master pages should go to the the even side and odd ones > on the odd side. > > of course, you can use the extension you prefer, but, please, we should, > not, have, a logic, for them, in scribus. > (if you need a reason for it: in italian it will be _P and _D... and > scribus should automatically translate them according to the UI > language? brrrr...) > > i guess that the solution is somehow simple: in non single page layouts, > the master pages should be edited in a multiple page view and not as > single pages. > It would also be of some benefit to have master page assignment via Scripter. You can get a list of master page names, create master pages, delete master pages, and edit master pages, but you can't assign. Greg From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Tue Oct 7 12:34:35 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:34:35 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <5433DD17.90107@iglou.com> References: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> <5433DD17.90107@iglou.com> Message-ID: <5433DDDB.6030706@xox.ch> On 07/10/14 14:31, Gregory Pittman wrote: > On 10/07/2014 07:06 AM, a.l.e wrote: >> hi >> >> as somebody said long time ago (and got a mention for it in a book. with >> picture): even master pages should go to the the even side and odd ones >> on the odd side. >> >> of course, you can use the extension you prefer, but, please, we should, >> not, have, a logic, for them, in scribus. >> (if you need a reason for it: in italian it will be _P and _D... and >> scribus should automatically translate them according to the UI >> language? brrrr...) >> >> i guess that the solution is somehow simple: in non single page layouts, >> the master pages should be edited in a multiple page view and not as >> single pages. >> > It would also be of some benefit to have master page assignment via > Scripter. You can get a list of master page names, create master pages, > delete master pages, and edit master pages, but you can't assign. > yep, that should also be possible! ciao a.l.e From deco33000 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 13:03:58 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:03:58 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> References: , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> Message-ID: No, English is the standard language so it is not that painful to accord everybody on _E or _O. Come on, how many people use english even without noticing ? Since i will need this functionality, I will first have a look at the Scribus code, understand its logic and propose a patch. If the community doesn't like that patch, then it will not be added. But to me, it is logic to code it that way. I don't mean it is for everyone else. Another point : pain make people move; So will I. let me see that code... > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:06:12 +0200 > From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > hi > > as somebody said long time ago (and got a mention for it in a book. with > picture): even master pages should go to the the even side and odd ones > on the odd side. > > of course, you can use the extension you prefer, but, please, we should, > not, have, a logic, for them, in scribus. > (if you need a reason for it: in italian it will be _P and _D... and > scribus should automatically translate them according to the UI > language? brrrr...) > > i guess that the solution is somehow simple: in non single page layouts, > the master pages should be edited in a multiple page view and not as > single pages. > > a simple solution, but somebody has to program it. any volunteer? > > ciao > a.l.e > > > Yes, > > > > The arrange page is a solution but not optimal. I still have to rearrange when in a odd/even logic. If the number of pages to add is even, it is ok but if it is odd (say 3 pages), then troubles are the same. > > > > So I think that for the 1.5.x it would be nice to add an option "keep relative logic" which would follow the already existing layout. > > I propose those steps : > > > > > > 1) create your document. > > 2) create your master pages. > > There should have a keyword like "mymaster_O" and "mymaster_E" that will give the engine a hint on what the artist want to do. > > The interesting part is "_O" and "_E" for odd and even. > > Only one template can be named with "_O" and one with "_E" since they express the whole document logic. > > When the engine sees those suffixes, it knows that it is the underlying of the doc. > > When you add a page, you don't see the "_E" or "_O" anymore, just the common prefix "mymaster" not to confuse user in the page options. By the way, that option is preselected instead of the "normal" layout". > > The pages are automatically adjusted and the following one will follow EXCEPT if they are of a different master name. In which case, they remain untouched. > > 3) Be happy. > > > > If the document doesn't have those "_E" or "_O", then the current logic is applied. Everyone is satisfied. > > > > It can be a HUGE productivity gain on large document and can tract more users to use Scribus. > > > > Your opinion ? > > > > Thanks > > > >> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 07:12:27 +0200 > >> From: peter at nermander.se > >> To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > >> Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > >> > >>> There should be a way to "lock" a master page to a page, no matter what > >>> happens. That way, we could recreate the whole document just by resetting > >>> the odd/even pattern. Everything would be nice. > >>> > >>> > >> When you apply a Master Page to a range of pages you can (as far as I > >> remember) choose to add it to just odd or just even pages within the range. > >> That can help a bit. > >> > >> (Or is it just a choice between range, odd, all or even?) > >> > >> /Peter > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> ___ > >> Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > >> Edit your options or unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > >> See also: > >> http://wiki.scribus.net > >> http://forums.scribus.net > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > ___ > > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > > See also: > > http://wiki.scribus.net > > http://forums.scribus.net > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greg From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Tue Oct 7 13:42:53 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:42:53 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Idea: maybe hide the non visible pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5433EDDD.5010709@xox.ch> hi jog > Now, i think that it would be nice to hide the non visible pages to lessen the burden on graphic card for people on laptops (like me). > > All of us don't have supercomputers. > > Your opinion ? wonderful idea! if you want to work on this, please do it on 1.5svn: svn co svn://scribus.net/trunk/Scribus ciao a.l.e -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Almost no images. And it becomes very difficult to deal with 60 pages and a 14MB sla file. By the way, I will make a proposal for a new UI. Scribus deserves to look more professional. Hold your breath, I work on it tonight. > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:42:53 +0200 > From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Subject: Re: [scribus] Idea: maybe hide the non visible pages > > hi jog > > Now, i think that it would be nice to hide the non visible pages to lessen the burden on graphic card for people on laptops (like me). > > > > All of us don't have supercomputers. > > > > Your opinion ? > > wonderful idea! > > if you want to work on this, please do it on 1.5svn: > svn co svn://scribus.net/trunk/Scribus > > ciao > a.l.e > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deco33000 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 13:59:11 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:59:11 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <5433EE29.6030202@xox.ch> References: , , , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> ,<5433EE29.6030202@xox.ch> Message-ID: Thanks ale ;) I dig into it > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:44:09 +0200 > From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > hi jog, > > > No, > > > > English is the standard language so it is not that painful to accord everybody on _E or _O. > > Come on, how many people use english even without noticing ? > > > > mmm... you would be amazed about the number of people who don't use > their computer in english... > and being uncomfortable when they have to use some software in english! > > just have a look at list the UI languages supported by scribus to have > an idea of how much diversity there is around the world ... > > > Since i will need this functionality, I will first have a look at the Scribus code, understand its logic and propose a patch. > > i would welcome it, if you could put your effort in getting the master > pages editing to respect the layouts... > > it's not trivial to get the interaction right, but the implementation > should not be that hard... but harder than just implementing a string > matching, i have to admit it... > > and there will be some work to be done to get it to be compatible with > old documents... > > hasta luego > a.l.e > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdalford6 at live.com Tue Oct 7 16:20:12 2014 From: wdalford6 at live.com (Dwain Alford) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:20:12 -0500 Subject: [scribus] Problems setting Prefs using mouse on OSX Snow Leopard 10.6.8 Scribus 1.4.4 Message-ID: Have no clue what happened. I have uninstalled and reinstalled and same thing happens. I have used both the dmg and pkg installers. I have also used the terminal to eradicate remnants of the program from the system. Here's the problem: If I use the mouse to set the preference, the box is empty. If I open the drop-down menu, leave the mouse cursor in the box and use the arrow keys the box is empty. However, if I use the mouse to open the drop-down box, move the cursor outside the menu and use the arrow keys, the preference sets. Why? I don't know if others using OSX (any flavor) have had this problem, but I thought it worthy to mention. Cheers, Dwain From williambader at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 17:29:57 2014 From: williambader at hotmail.com (William Bader) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:29:57 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: , , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, Message-ID: > English is the standard language so it is not that painful to accord everybody on _E or _O. > > (if you need a reason for it: in italian it will be _P and _D... and What about something independent of language like _1 and _2 ? For the issue of screen performance during repainting, would it be possible to do the equivalent of what setRedraw(false) does in the scripter ? plugins/scripter/api_window.cpp implements WindowAPI::setRedraw(bool flag) as ScCore->primaryMainWindow()->doc->DoDrawing = flag William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deco33000 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 8 07:28:53 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:28:53 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, , Message-ID: To me, it seems like a brilliant idea. there is still cyrillic but I think they are used to arabic numbers in some ways. Actually, it is just something you have to learn once after all. > From: williambader at hotmail.com > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:29:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > > > > English is the standard language so it is not that painful to accord everybody on _E or _O. > > > (if you need a reason for it: in italian it will be _P and _D... and > > What about something independent of language like _1 and _2 ? > For the issue of screen performance during repainting, would it be possible to do the equivalent of what setRedraw(false) does in the scripter ? > plugins/scripter/api_window.cpp implements WindowAPI::setRedraw(bool flag) as ScCore->primaryMainWindow()->doc->DoDrawing = flag > William > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deco33000 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 8 15:03:51 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:03:51 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, , , , , Message-ID: Ok, After digging into the code and keeping working on a large document, I think we could "lock" the master pages to pages. It is very simple to reapply the odd/even logic and when needed "lock" the master page. It would be that way : 1) create your page 2) right click on the page -> "lock master page" I think it is a very flexible approach, very easy to implement and translate to different language, and won't break the scribus logic. What do you think about it ? Thanks > From: deco33000 at hotmail.com > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:28:53 +0200 > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > To me, it seems like a brilliant idea. > there is still cyrillic but I think they are used to arabic numbers in some ways. > Actually, it is just something you have to learn once after all. > > > From: williambader at hotmail.com > > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:29:57 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > > > > > > > > English is the standard language so it is not that painful to accord everybody on _E or _O. > > > > (if you need a reason for it: in italian it will be _P and _D... and > > > > What about something independent of language like _1 and _2 ? > > For the issue of screen performance during repainting, would it be possible to do the equivalent of what setRedraw(false) does in the scripter ? > > plugins/scripter/api_window.cpp implements WindowAPI::setRedraw(bool flag) as ScCore->primaryMainWindow()->doc->DoDrawing = flag > > William > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > ___ > > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > > See also: > > http://wiki.scribus.net > > http://forums.scribus.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gpittman at iglou.com Wed Oct 8 15:22:48 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:22:48 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, , , , , Message-ID: <543556C8.3010101@iglou.com> On 10/08/2014 11:03 AM, Jog Lie wrote: > Ok, > > After digging into the code and keeping working on a large document, I think we could "lock" the master pages to pages. > > It is very simple to reapply the odd/even logic and when needed "lock" the master page. > > It would be that way : > > > 1) create your page > 2) right click on the page -> "lock master page" > But what do you mean by lock master page? It seems from your previous posts you actually want to lock the master page pattern, not the master page. They already are locked to the particular page they were assigned to. There will be much more flexibility if we can come up with a Scripter command... Greg From deco33000 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 8 15:30:51 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:30:51 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <543556C8.3010101@iglou.com> References: , , , ,,, , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, ,,, , , , , , , <543556C8.3010101@iglou.com> Message-ID: I explained myself incorrectly When you reapply the odd/even pattern, it wrecks everything out and you have to readjust the "exotic" pages. With a "lock master page" option activated, even the odd/even pattern would not touch the locked master page. Hence you gain a lot of time. Did I make it clearer ? > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 11:22:48 -0400 > From: gpittman at iglou.com > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > On 10/08/2014 11:03 AM, Jog Lie wrote: > > Ok, > > > > After digging into the code and keeping working on a large document, I think we could "lock" the master pages to pages. > > > > It is very simple to reapply the odd/even logic and when needed "lock" the master page. > > > > It would be that way : > > > > > > 1) create your page > > 2) right click on the page -> "lock master page" > > > > But what do you mean by lock master page? It seems from your previous > posts you actually want to lock the master page pattern, not the master > page. They already are locked to the particular page they were assigned to. > > There will be much more flexibility if we can come up with a Scripter > command... > > Greg > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gpittman at iglou.com Wed Oct 8 16:10:01 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 12:10:01 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, , , , , , , , , , <543556C8.3010101@iglou.com> Message-ID: <543561D9.4090900@iglou.com> On 10/08/2014 11:30 AM, Jog Lie wrote: > I explained myself incorrectly > > When you reapply the odd/even pattern, it wrecks everything out and you have to readjust the "exotic" pages. > > With a "lock master page" option activated, even the odd/even pattern would not touch the locked master page. > Hence you gain a lot of time. > > Did I make it clearer ? > Ok, it makes some sense now. But I guess you have to individually lock a page (it's more like you're locking the attributes of the page, not locking the master page). My guess is that if I were doing this, I would work on a way to parse the SLA file, either with Python or Perl, editing the MNAM variable in the tag. Just a personal quirk/preference. The other idea might be an xsl stylesheet... Greg From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Wed Oct 8 16:30:01 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:30:01 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> Message-ID: <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis> hi jog, being able to set right MPs to left pages, was exactly what lead a bunch of creative people to laugh at scribus. personally, i think that you have spot a problem in scribus, but the solution you're proposing -- while solving your specific current issue -- is a hack that mitigates your pain but is not a general solution to the problem. seriously, if you're happy with having a left page on the right side, you should probably not be using facing pages... or am i missing something? ciao a.l.e > After digging into the code and keeping working on a large document, > I think we could "lock" the master pages to pages. > > It is very simple to reapply the odd/even logic and when needed > "lock" the master page. > > It would be that way : > > > 1) create your page > 2) right click on the page -> "lock master page" > > I think it is a very flexible approach, very easy to implement and > translate to different language, and won't break the scribus logic. > > What do you think about it ? > > Thanks From deco33000 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 8 16:46:51 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:46:51 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis> References: , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, , , , , <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis> Message-ID: Actually I have 5 master pages, So I cannot stand having left MP instead of right MP on the wrong page. No no, the issue is to lock a third (or fourth or whatever) master page on a page, so that it is not mutable by the even/odd pattern. Even if you rearrange the pattern, you won't touch those manually set MP. Do you understand what I mean ? I will code it to make it clear :) > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:30:01 +0200 > From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > hi jog, > > being able to set right MPs to left pages, was exactly what lead a bunch > of creative people to laugh at scribus. > > personally, i think that you have spot a problem in scribus, but the > solution you're proposing -- while solving your specific current issue > -- is a hack that mitigates your pain but is not a general solution to > the problem. > > seriously, if you're happy with having a left page on the right side, > you should probably not be using facing pages... > > or am i missing something? > > ciao > a.l.e > > > > After digging into the code and keeping working on a large document, > > I think we could "lock" the master pages to pages. > > > > It is very simple to reapply the odd/even logic and when needed > > "lock" the master page. > > > > It would be that way : > > > > > > 1) create your page > > 2) right click on the page -> "lock master page" > > > > I think it is a very flexible approach, very easy to implement and > > translate to different language, and won't break the scribus logic. > > > > What do you think about it ? > > > > Thanks > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From williambader at hotmail.com Wed Oct 8 17:59:56 2014 From: williambader at hotmail.com (William Bader) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 13:59:56 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <543556C8.3010101@iglou.com> References: , , , ,,, , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, ,,, , , , , , , <543556C8.3010101@iglou.com> Message-ID: Juraj has written patches to add an applyMasterPage command to scripter. After applying the patch, you can assign master pages by modifying his example script below. Scribus 1.4 patches are at http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=12757 Scribus 1.5 patches are at http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=12758 import scribus scribus.newDocument(scribus.PAPER_A4, (15,15, 20, 20), scribus.PORTRAIT, 1, scribus.UNIT_POINTS, scribus.PAGE_2, 1, 8) def create_mp(name): scribus.createMasterPage(name) scribus.editMasterPage(name) txt=scribus.createText(250, 70, 120, 30) scribus.setText(name, txt) scribus.closeMasterPage() return name odd = create_mp('Odd Master Page')even = create_mp('Even Master Page') for p in range(8): page = p+1 name = odd if page%2 == 0: name = even print (name, page) scribus.applyMasterPage(name, page) scribus.saveDocAs('masterpage.sla') pdf = scribus.PDFfile()pdf.save() #scribus.applyMasterPage('Wrong Name', 1)#scribus.applyMasterPage(even, 42) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you can offer a little more sophistication in your reporting for example: 1) open preferences 2) click mouse on option X (explain the result of this) 3) scroll down now with down arrow key 4) press the enter key etc...etc... Also it is way more ideal to submit this to the bug tracker at http://bugs.scribus.net then post on the ML. Thanks! /Kunda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greg From scribus.user at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 22:05:54 2014 From: scribus.user at gmail.com (Kunda Loves Scribus) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:05:54 -0500 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com> References: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis> <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com> Message-ID: FYI, both patches (12757, 12758) have been applied today. Can someone test them and confirm they work correctly? Cheers, /Kunda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From deco33000 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 9 06:06:09 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:06:09 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, , , , , <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis>, , <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com>, , Message-ID: By the way, Scribus lack an event system which would signal when a page is visible or not. With such an event system, we could bind some action into scripter and be much more effective at modifying the scribus behavior. There is a lack for page visibility api as well. It is non sense to draw the whole document if we don't even see it. <-> BIG performance boost. From: deco33000 at hotmail.com To: scribus at lists.scribus.net Subject: RE: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 07:45:17 +0200 Will try it :) > From: scribus.user at gmail.com > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:05:54 -0500 > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > FYI, both patches (12757, 12758) have been applied today. Can someone test > them and confirm they work correctly? > > Cheers, > /Kunda > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jluc at no-log.org Thu Oct 9 07:02:08 2014 From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 09:02:08 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, , , , , <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis>, , <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com>, , Message-ID: Le 09/10/2014 08:06, Jog Lie a ?crit : > By the way, > Scribus lack an event system which would signal when a page is visible or not. > With such an event system, we could bind some action into scripter and be much more effective at modifying the scribus behavior. > There is a lack for page visibility api as well. It is non sense to draw the whole document if we don't even see it. <-> BIG performance boost. The OwnPage attribute could be a step into that direction. Not strictly related to visibility, but it could state what pages an item belongs to and that would restrict the candidates to visibility related actions. But - a large item can belong to more than one page - as of today, there are situations where OwnPage is not the page an item belongs to (for example in some 'group' situations and in situations where the Y position is more than 1 page high) JL From deco33000 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 9 07:37:54 2014 From: deco33000 at hotmail.com (Jog Lie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:37:54 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: , , , <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch>, , , , , , , , , , <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis>, , , <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com>, , , , , , Message-ID: Would still be better to draw two pages than 40-90 performance wise. It could make it > To: scribus at lists.scribus.info > From: jluc at no-log.org > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:02:08 +0200 > Subject: Re: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order > > Le 09/10/2014 08:06, Jog Lie a ?crit : > > By the way, > > Scribus lack an event system which would signal when a page is visible or not. > > With such an event system, we could bind some action into scripter and be much more effective at modifying the scribus behavior. > > There is a lack for page visibility api as well. It is non sense to draw the whole document if we don't even see it. <-> BIG performance boost. > > The OwnPage attribute could be a step into that direction. > > Not strictly related to visibility, but it could state what pages an item belongs to > and that would restrict the candidates to visibility related actions. > But > - a large item can belong to more than one page > - as of today, there are situations where OwnPage is not the page an item > belongs to (for example in some 'group' situations > and in situations where the Y position is more than 1 page high) > > JL > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Thu Oct 9 09:11:48 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:11:48 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis> <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com> Message-ID: <20141009111148.1f265b5b@eiseiseis> hi > Scribus lack an event system which would signal when a page is > visible or not. > > With such an event system, we could bind some action into scripter > and be much more effective at modifying the scribus behavior. > > There is a lack for page visibility api as well. It is non sense to > draw the whole document if we don't even see it. <-> BIG performance > boost. basically, you can also limit what gets updated when the content is so small that it's not readable... i think that you're very welcome to work in this issue! just take care that it's a little bit more complicated than it first looks like. as an example, you will have to take care of text chains that go backwards (and generally speaking of text that is written right to left). in a further step, you would probably also want to implement an update queue and some multithreading so that the dirty pages get updated when scribus is idle (if scribus thinks that it makes sense to do so) finally, you might only want to trigger the optimization if the number of pages in the document is n times (where n is 3?) the number of pages fitting on screen. and, yes, jluc suggestion is sane, to first provide a way to know which items are on a page and on which pages items are. i have a naive implementation of it, that can be improved for performance and needs to be integrated with scribus in memory model an SLA saving. (i use it for exporting, so performance is not that critical) have fun a.l.e From jluc at no-log.org Thu Oct 9 16:04:26 2014 From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 18:04:26 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <20141009111148.1f265b5b@eiseiseis> References: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis> <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com> <20141009111148.1f265b5b@eiseiseis> Message-ID: Le 09/10/2014 11:11, ale rimoldi a ?crit : > and, yes, jluc suggestion is sane, to first provide a way to know which > items are on a page and on which pages items are. > i have a naive implementation of it, that can be improved for > performance and needs to be integrated with scribus in memory model an > SLA saving. (i use it for exporting, so performance is not that > critical) would you share the link to that code ale ? JL From thr-news at rochelmeyer.com Thu Oct 9 16:19:48 2014 From: thr-news at rochelmeyer.com (Thorsten Rochelmeyer) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 18:19:48 +0200 Subject: [scribus] ColorWheel Glitches / bugs? Message-ID: <5436B5A4.50801@rochelmeyer.com> Hey all, i stumbled upon some weirednesses in the scribus color wheel (in 1.5.0svn). I found it hard to describe those, so i made a short video. Mabe you could have a look at this: https://vimeo.com/108482682 Not sure if what i encountered is a bug. Kind Regards Thorsten From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Thu Oct 9 17:47:35 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 19:47:35 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis> <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com> <20141009111148.1f265b5b@eiseiseis> Message-ID: <20141009194735.344d58af@eeeis> On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 18:04:26 +0200 JLuc wrote: > Le 09/10/2014 11:11, ale rimoldi a ?crit : > > > and, yes, jluc suggestion is sane, to first provide a way to know > > which items are on a page and on which pages items are. > > i have a naive implementation of it, that can be improved for > > performance and needs to be integrated with scribus in memory model > > an SLA saving. (i use it for exporting, so performance is not that > > critical) > > would you share the link to that code ale ? would you like to work on it jean-luc? ciao a.l.e From gpittman at iglou.com Fri Oct 10 02:16:39 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 22:16:39 -0400 Subject: [scribus] a wiki page with a script using applyMasterPage() Message-ID: <54374187.4090406@iglou.com> I can confirm that the new Scripter command does work, based on the script I wrote that I show on this wiki page: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Using_the_new_applyMasterPage%28%29_command The script first shows you a list of Master Pages in your document, each indexed by a number. It asks you to choose by number the MP you want to assign. After that, you then get a dialog asking for a list of pages to apply this MP to. As written, you have to explicitly enter each page number, like 1 4 8 13 and so on, only separated by white space. I do it this way to make use of the Python split command to create a list out of the entry. It would be nice to be able to enter something like 1 5 7-10 15, but parsing that 7-10 is more challenging, and besides this is just a demonstration script. I'd like to figure out how to drop the kludgy ending if I can find some other way to force a document refresh in Scribus. Greg From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Fri Oct 10 09:45:55 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:45:55 +0200 Subject: [scribus] a wiki page with a script using applyMasterPage() In-Reply-To: <54374187.4090406@iglou.com> References: <54374187.4090406@iglou.com> Message-ID: <5437AAD3.1000401@xox.ch> hi greg, > I can confirm that the new Scripter command does work, based on the > script I wrote that I show on this wiki page: > > http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Using_the_new_applyMasterPage%28%29_command > just a detail: you should not put "#!/usr/bin/env python" at the beginning of your scripts. it's useless (since they are always triggered as `python script-name.py` and gives the false impression that one can run them from the command line. > The script first shows you a list of Master Pages in your document, > each indexed by a number. It asks you to choose by number the MP you > want to assign. > After that, you then get a dialog asking for a list of pages to apply > this MP to. As written, you have to explicitly enter each page number, > like 1 4 8 13 and so on, only separated by white space. I do it this > way to make use of the Python split command to create a list out of > the entry. It would be nice to be able to enter something like 1 5 > 7-10 15, but parsing that 7-10 is more challenging, and besides this > is just a demonstration script. i have not tested it, but this seems to be a very simple way of "exploding" the page numbers :-) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5704931/parse-string-of-integer-sets-with-intervals-to-list > I'd like to figure out how to drop the kludgy ending if I can find > some other way to force a document refresh in Scribus. otherwise a nice sample of what can be done with the new commands! thanks. a.l.e From gpittman at iglou.com Fri Oct 10 12:07:35 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:07:35 -0400 Subject: [scribus] a wiki page with a script using applyMasterPage() In-Reply-To: <5437AAD3.1000401@xox.ch> References: <54374187.4090406@iglou.com> <5437AAD3.1000401@xox.ch> Message-ID: <5437CC07.9020301@iglou.com> On 10/10/2014 05:45 AM, a.l.e wrote: > hi greg, > >> I can confirm that the new Scripter command does work, based on the >> script I wrote that I show on this wiki page: >> >> http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Using_the_new_applyMasterPage%28%29_command >> > > just a detail: you should not put "#!/usr/bin/env python" at the > beginning of your scripts. it's useless (since they are always triggered > as `python script-name.py` and gives the false impression that one can > run them from the command line. > >> The script first shows you a list of Master Pages in your document, >> each indexed by a number. It asks you to choose by number the MP you >> want to assign. >> After that, you then get a dialog asking for a list of pages to apply >> this MP to. As written, you have to explicitly enter each page number, >> like 1 4 8 13 and so on, only separated by white space. I do it this >> way to make use of the Python split command to create a list out of >> the entry. It would be nice to be able to enter something like 1 5 >> 7-10 15, but parsing that 7-10 is more challenging, and besides this >> is just a demonstration script. > i have not tested it, but this seems to be a very simple way of > "exploding" the page numbers :-) > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5704931/parse-string-of-integer-sets-with-intervals-to-list > > Whoa! Simpler than I thought... I'll add one of these to the script. The other thing I want to do is make an example which applies MPs to all, even, or odd, with skipping of a list of pages, which seems more like what Jog was looking for. One thing that people might see is that you can have the split command split on some character like ',', but I prefer not to have to type all the commas in the dialog... Greg From jluc at no-log.org Fri Oct 10 16:13:50 2014 From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:13:50 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: <20141009194735.344d58af@eeeis> References: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis> <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com> <20141009111148.1f265b5b@eiseiseis> <20141009194735.344d58af@eeeis> Message-ID: Le 09/10/2014 19:47, ale rimoldi a ?crit : > On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 18:04:26 +0200 > JLuc wrote: >> Le 09/10/2014 11:11, ale rimoldi a ?crit : >>> i have a naive implementation of it, that can be improved for >>> performance and needs to be integrated with scribus in memory model >>> an SLA saving. >> would you share the link to that code ale ? > would you like to work on it jean-luc ? I wont be able to do much for it but i'd like to have a look at it ! JLuc From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Fri Oct 10 18:09:09 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:09:09 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Keep master page logic when modifying page order In-Reply-To: References: <5433C924.2020508@xox.ch> <20141008183001.1d127a20@eiseiseis> <5435B3FF.801@iglou.com> <20141009111148.1f265b5b@eiseiseis> <20141009194735.344d58af@eeeis> Message-ID: <20141010200909.13c238fb@eiseiseis> hi jluc > Le 09/10/2014 19:47, ale rimoldi a ?crit : > > On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 18:04:26 +0200 > > JLuc wrote: > >> Le 09/10/2014 11:11, ale rimoldi a ?crit : > >>> i have a naive implementation of it, that can be improved for > >>> performance and needs to be integrated with scribus in memory > >>> model an SLA saving. > > >> would you share the link to that code ale ? > > would you like to work on it jean-luc ? > > I wont be able to do much for it but i'd like to have a look at it ! it's not part of finished code yet, but you can find it at the same place where all my code is... :-) go and have a peek... tsch? a.l.e From gpittman at iglou.com Sat Oct 11 00:53:36 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:53:36 -0400 Subject: [scribus] a wiki page with a script using applyMasterPage() In-Reply-To: <54374187.4090406@iglou.com> References: <54374187.4090406@iglou.com> Message-ID: <54387F90.5050308@iglou.com> On 10/09/2014 10:16 PM, Gregory Pittman wrote: > http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Using_the_new_applyMasterPage%28%29_command > The script will now accept a range like '4-10' in the list of pages to apply the Master Page to. Greg From gpittman at iglou.com Sat Oct 11 02:02:53 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 22:02:53 -0400 Subject: [scribus] a wiki page with a script using applyMasterPage() In-Reply-To: <54387F90.5050308@iglou.com> References: <54374187.4090406@iglou.com> <54387F90.5050308@iglou.com> Message-ID: <54388FCD.3010905@iglou.com> On 10/10/2014 08:53 PM, Gregory Pittman wrote: > On 10/09/2014 10:16 PM, Gregory Pittman wrote: >> http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Using_the_new_applyMasterPage%28%29_command >> > The script will now accept a range like '4-10' in the list of pages to > apply the Master Page to. > What I'd like to do next is a new script that not only could handle all, even, and odd, but also a format like 'i/n', where you might wish to apply the MP to the first of every three pages (1/3), or the second (2/3), or the third (3/3). I think this is doable without great difficulty, and to be generalizable (4/7 would be the fourth out of every seven pages). Greg From gpittman at iglou.com Sat Oct 11 12:40:08 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:40:08 -0400 Subject: [scribus] a wiki page with a script using applyMasterPage() In-Reply-To: <54388FCD.3010905@iglou.com> References: <54374187.4090406@iglou.com> <54387F90.5050308@iglou.com> <54388FCD.3010905@iglou.com> Message-ID: <54392528.6010709@iglou.com> On 10/10/2014 10:02 PM, Gregory Pittman wrote: > On 10/10/2014 08:53 PM, Gregory Pittman wrote: >> On 10/09/2014 10:16 PM, Gregory Pittman wrote: >>> http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Using_the_new_applyMasterPage%28%29_command >>> >> The script will now accept a range like '4-10' in the list of pages >> to apply the Master Page to. >> > What I'd like to do next is a new script that not only could handle > all, even, and odd, but also a format like 'i/n', where you might wish > to apply the MP to the first of every three pages (1/3), or the second > (2/3), or the third (3/3). I think this is doable without great > difficulty, and to be generalizable (4/7 would be the fourth out of > every seven pages). > As first step, I have updated the paste2all.py script on this page: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/CopyObject%28%29_and_pasteObject%28%29 so this is the method I will use to allow one to specify the 2nd of every 3 pages, or 4th of every 7: 2/3 and 4/7 respectively. Now I just need to "mash up" the logic of this script and assignMP.py. Greg From gpittman at iglou.com Sun Oct 12 01:30:29 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:30:29 -0400 Subject: [scribus] a wiki page with a script using applyMasterPage() In-Reply-To: <54392528.6010709@iglou.com> References: <54374187.4090406@iglou.com> <54387F90.5050308@iglou.com> <54388FCD.3010905@iglou.com> <54392528.6010709@iglou.com> Message-ID: <5439D9B5.7090502@iglou.com> Alrighty then! If you recheck the wiki http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Using_the_new_applyMasterPage%28%29_command#assignMP2all.py you now find a new script with the following features: * you can apply a Master Page to all, even, odd, or some other regular pattern like the 3rd out of every 5 pages, specified as '3/5'. * you can also supply a list of pages to skip, entered as in assignMP.py, with numbers separated by whitespace, which might also be some range, separated by a hyphen. Greg From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Mon Oct 13 08:10:32 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:10:32 +0200 Subject: [scribus] scripter: connect the c++/qt slots with a python function Message-ID: <543B88F8.9020808@xox.ch> dear scribusers this mail is for the ones among you, who know well python and pyqt... while working on getting the new scripter to work with python3 and pyqt5 i got stuck at the following point: https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-plugin-scripter/issues/7 in https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-plugin-scripter/blob/master/src/python/init_scripter.py#L98 |Scripter.createMenu.connect(createMenu) | is strying to connect the c++ |createMenu()| slot with the python |createMenu| function. since qt5 does not accept anymore connection made by passing a string, we have to correctly make the c++/qt slot available to python/pyqt. in https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-plugin-scripter/blob/master/src/python/mikro.py#L391 |for i in range(metaobject.methodCount()): meta_method = metaobject.method(i) | correctly sees the signal as a method, but i (we) could not yet find a way to make it available as a slot inside of pyqt. does anybody have a clue, how to make the signal go from c++ to python? ciao a.l.e -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, if I use the mouse to open >> the drop-down box, move the cursor outside the menu and use the arrow keys, >> the preference sets. >> >> Why? >> >> I don't know if others using OSX (any flavor) have had this problem, but I >> thought it worthy to mention. >> >> Cheers, >> Dwain >> > Hi Dwain, > I've tested it on OSX 10.9.5 using Scribus 1.4.4 > (and 1.5.0svn (built with Qt 5.3.2)) and can't reproduce your issue. > > If you can offer a little more sophistication in your reporting for > example: > 1) open preferences > 2) click mouse on option X (explain the result of this) > 3) scroll down now with down arrow key > 4) press the enter key > etc...etc... > Also it is way more ideal to submit this to the bug tracker at > http://bugs.scribus.net then post on the ML. > > Thanks! > /Kunda > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net > > thanks for the reply, kunda. From scribus.user at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 21:00:25 2014 From: scribus.user at gmail.com (Kunda Loves Scribus) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:00:25 -0500 Subject: [scribus] Problems setting Prefs using mouse on OSX Snow Leopard 10.6.8 Scribus 1.4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dwain, There are some odd quirks on OSX. Please post your bug and we'll do our best to fix it. Best, /Kunda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eilert-sprachen at t-online.de Wed Oct 15 15:28:50 2014 From: eilert-sprachen at t-online.de (Rolf-Werner Eilert) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:28:50 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Changing paths to relative? Message-ID: <543E92B2.9060906@t-online.de> A project from last year was copied into a new folder for the current year. There were pictures in a sub-folder but not copied into the new folder, and the pictures are still there. To me this means the paths are absolute. Is it possible to change this in the new document, so the pictures have to be copied into a sub-folder with the same name for the new project? Thanks for your advice. Rolf From jluc at no-log.org Wed Oct 15 15:40:41 2014 From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:40:41 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Changing paths to relative? In-Reply-To: <543E92B2.9060906@t-online.de> References: <543E92B2.9060906@t-online.de> Message-ID: Le 15/10/2014 17:28, Rolf-Werner Eilert a ?crit : > A project from last year was copied into a new folder for the current year. There were pictures in a sub-folder but not > copied into the new folder, and the pictures are still there. To me this means the paths are absolute. > > Is it possible to change this in the new document, so the pictures have to be copied into a sub-folder with the same > name for the new project? Use File > Collect for Output it creates a 'images' subfolder and moves all used images into it. BTW i have created a script for linux that checks that all used images are correctly stored in the images folder https://github.com/JLuc/scribus-shell-scripts/blob/master/checkimages JL From benedek_peter at upcmail.hu Fri Oct 17 15:52:14 2014 From: benedek_peter at upcmail.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Benedek_P=E9ter?=) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:52:14 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Scribus 1.5 product Message-ID: <54413B2E.6040902@upcmail.hu> Hi, Scribus authors! Without you, these publications and information boards would not have been possible! Thank you for all the work! Regards, Peter Benedek https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eww6h12h71ovsu6/AAAeMQ_nvYnjJIFzjkJJ2p4aa?dl=0 From scribus.user at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 15:56:22 2014 From: scribus.user at gmail.com (Kunda Loves Scribus) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:56:22 -0500 Subject: [scribus] Scribus 1.5 product In-Reply-To: <54413B2E.6040902@upcmail.hu> References: <54413B2E.6040902@upcmail.hu> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Benedek P?ter wrote: > Hi, Scribus authors! > > Without you, these publications and information boards would not have been > possible! > > Thank you for all the work! > > Regards, > > Peter Benedek > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eww6h12h71ovsu6/AAAeMQ_nvYnjJIFzjkJJ2p4aa?dl=0 > > Nice! Peter, would you add this to http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Success_stories_2014 ? /Kunda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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FirasH Il 09/10/2014 18:19, Thorsten Rochelmeyer ha scritto: > Hey all, > > i stumbled upon some weirednesses in the scribus color wheel (in > 1.5.0svn). I found it hard to describe those, so i made a short video. > Mabe you could have a look at this: > > https://vimeo.com/108482682 > > Not sure if what i encountered is a bug. > > Kind Regards > > Thorsten > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From wdalford6 at live.com Sat Oct 18 16:55:09 2014 From: wdalford6 at live.com (Dwain Alford) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:55:09 -0500 Subject: [scribus] Problems setting Prefs using mouse on OSX Snow Leopard 10.6.8 Scribus 1.4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/13/2014 4:00 PM, Kunda Loves Scribus wrote: > Dwain, > There are some odd quirks on OSX. Please post your bug and we'll do our > best to fix it. > Best, > /Kunda > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net > > ok. From wdalford6 at live.com Mon Oct 20 16:04:25 2014 From: wdalford6 at live.com (Dwain Alford) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:04:25 -0500 Subject: [scribus] Problems setting Prefs using mouse on OSX Snow Leopard 10.6.8 Scribus 1.4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/18/2014 11:55 AM, Dwain Alford wrote: > On 10/13/2014 4:00 PM, Kunda Loves Scribus wrote: >> Dwain, >> There are some odd quirks on OSX. Please post your bug and we'll do our >> best to fix it. >> Best, >> /Kunda >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ___ >> Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net >> Edit your options or unsubscribe: >> http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus >> See also: >> http://wiki.scribus.net >> http://forums.scribus.net >> >> > ok. > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net > > it seems that i have forgotten my username to post a bug. it has been a while since i used it. i tried my email address and the message i get is my "account has been disabled or blocked or . . . .". do i need to establish a new account? i hear the murmurings about this. :-) From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Wed Oct 22 08:08:42 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:08:42 +0200 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone Message-ID: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> hi here is a question to you, about how scribus should behave when undoing. four years ago i created a ticket for it http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=8745 and two years ago chelen uploaded a patch. now, craig brought up some cases where the patch is not working as the user would expect (... personally, i don't really understand what's the matter is in those cases, but i assume that they are legit) and the ticket has been closed as "won't fix". personally, i had a bad feeling about it and just did a short test. there is indeed at least one case where, scribus does not behave as i would expect: - create a two pages document - if you're monitor is somehow like mine, you will see only one page on it. - scroll down to the second page. - add a text frame. - scroll up to the first page - undo. the frame on the second page is removed without the user having a chance to see what happened. in my eyes a dangerous behavior. and there are other cases, where i think scribus is not helping me enough, understanding what the undo is doing. what do you think about it? how should scribus behave in such cases? is the current behavior ok for you? looking for how others are doing it. i've tried to create two pages in a libreoffice write document, inserted a frame in the second one, scrolled up and undo. after deleting the frame, libreoffice "jumps" down to the second page and the cursor is placed where the frame was anchored. much better. now, scribus does not have anchoring points so our case is a bit more complicated. but it should be possible to achieve a better behavior than the current one! so the question to you: does anybody want to spend some time on this and write down a proposal defining how scribus should behave? you don't need to be able to code for it, but you need some experience with DTP tools and good UI/UX skills :-) have a wonderful day! a.l.e p.s.: of course, the person writing the proposal can't be as lazy as i am now, and will have to understand what are the cases craig is talking about! p.p.s.: of course bis, it does not have to be a lonely person... a small group can work on this: it might be more fun! p.p.p.s.: as a reminder: if possible, don't use a proprietary package as a reference for defining how scribus should be working... From gpittman at iglou.com Wed Oct 22 11:48:59 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:48:59 -0400 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> References: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> Message-ID: <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> On 10/22/2014 04:08 AM, ale rimoldi wrote: > hi > > here is a question to you, about how scribus should behave when undoing. > > > four years ago i created a ticket for it > > http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=8745 > > and two years ago chelen uploaded a patch. > > now, craig brought up some cases where the patch is not working as the > user would expect (... personally, i don't really understand what's the > matter is in those cases, but i assume that they are legit) and the > ticket has been closed as "won't fix". > > > > personally, i had a bad feeling about it and just did a short test. > there is indeed at least one case where, scribus does > not behave as i would expect: > > - create a two pages document > - if you're monitor is somehow like mine, you will see only one page on > it. > - scroll down to the second page. > - add a text frame. > - scroll up to the first page > - undo. > > the frame on the second page is removed without the user having a > chance to see what happened. > > in my eyes a dangerous behavior. > > and there are other cases, where i think scribus is not helping me > enough, understanding what the undo is doing. > > > > what do you think about it? > > how should scribus behave in such cases? > > is the current behavior ok for you? > > I guess I wonder why someone would be blindly undo-ing something without knowing what they were undoing. You can alway redo if you are confused by what may have happened, and there is the Action History, which should show you what was done. Could there be a popup that tells you what object was carried out in the undo? Let's say you delete an object, and Scribus moves to that page...are you going to know what it did? There is no object there anymore! Greg From moceap at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 12:45:33 2014 From: moceap at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-6?B?5dXZyCDH5NLZyOo=?=) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:45:33 +0200 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> References: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis>,<544799AB.40501@iglou.com> Message-ID: Hi All Are changes here applied on trunk of Scribus itself ?? officially ?? -=-=-=-=-=-Mosaab AlzoubiSenior of Linux Arab Community http://linuxac.orgMember of Ojuba Project http://ojuba.orgMember of Arab Eyes project http://arabeyes.orgMaintainer of Almasa project http://linux.softpedia.com/progMoreBy/Publisher-Almasa-47122.htmlMember of Fedora packaging teamMaintainer of Arabic Translations in : Wine - KDE - VLC - MATE .... etcAlso member of Fedora Arabic translations team -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From czarek at oferuje.pl Wed Oct 22 12:57:49 2014 From: czarek at oferuje.pl (Cezary Grabski) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:57:49 +0200 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> References: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> Message-ID: <5447A9CD.5030606@oferuje.pl> > I guess I wonder why someone would be blindly undo-ing something without > knowing what they were undoing. That`s a point! If Scribus dont show you where it made changes on undoing something then you do it blindly. And... not all things are undable in Scribus till now, so sometimes you expect undoing something but Scribus undiong something else. Cezaryece From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Wed Oct 22 13:16:50 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:16:50 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Master of Scribus on GitHub In-Reply-To: References: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> Message-ID: <20141022151650.1919edf0@eiseiseis> hi > Are changes here applied on trunk of Scribus itself ?? officially ?? > https://github.com/scribusproject/scribus no, the changes that are proposed through github won't "automatically" reach the scribus trunk. but they will be tested, commented, and if everything is ok, submitted to the bug tracker as patches... and finally, probably, included into the trunk. yes, i know, there are simpler workflows... but this is what we have! ciao a.l.e From jluc at no-log.org Wed Oct 22 17:10:23 2014 From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:10:23 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Master of Scribus on GitHub In-Reply-To: <20141022151650.1919edf0@eiseiseis> References: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> <20141022151650.1919edf0@eiseiseis> Message-ID: Le 22/10/2014 15:16, ale rimoldi a ?crit : >> Are changes here applied on trunk of Scribus itself ?? officially ?? >> https://github.com/scribusproject/scribus > > no, the changes that are proposed through github won't "automatically" > reach the scribus trunk. > but they will be tested, commented, and if everything is ok, submitted > to the bug tracker as patches... and finally, probably, included into > the trunk. They wont "automatically" be tested and commented neither. Testers and reporters are wellcome to test and comment proposed patches. (and to propose patches aswell) JLuc From scribus.user at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 20:33:09 2014 From: scribus.user at gmail.com (Kunda Loves Scribus) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:33:09 -0500 Subject: [scribus] Master of Scribus on GitHub In-Reply-To: References: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> <20141022151650.1919edf0@eiseiseis> Message-ID: > Are changes here applied on trunk of Scribus itself ?? officially ?? >>> https://github.com/scribusproject/scribus >> >> Hey Mosaab :) As ale and jluc pointed out the workflow for now is not streamlined but we will do what needs to happen to make it work. Just some orientation about https://github.com/scribusproject/scribus SVN branch is updated on the hour (i believe) Master is obsolete Master-2 is where you can send PR against. Maybe we can have a reviewer or 2 take a look We will deny the PR request, copy it to the Mantis Bugtracker as a ticket with the patch and hope it gets implemented in a timely manner. Cheers, /Kunda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Thu Oct 23 07:12:17 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:12:17 +0200 Subject: [scribus] Master of Scribus on GitHub In-Reply-To: References: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> <20141022151650.1919edf0@eiseiseis> Message-ID: <20141023091217.105e35e9@eiseiseis> hi > Master is obsolete > Master-2 is where you can send PR against. master-2 is just a try, will be renamed into master (and the current master deleted) as soon as we know how to correctly sync it with svn... as far i can tell, for now there are very few people working with master, so it should not break that much... (and, yes, there will be a big warning that master is then broken for those who will have forked) ciao a.l.e From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Thu Oct 23 07:39:11 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:39:11 +0200 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> References: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> Message-ID: <20141023093911.497be7ce@eiseiseis> hi > > and there are other cases, where i think scribus is not helping me > > enough, understanding what the undo is doing. > > > > > > > > what do you think about it? > > > > how should scribus behave in such cases? > > > > is the current behavior ok for you? > > > > > I guess I wonder why someone would be blindly undo-ing something > without knowing what they were undoing. You can alway redo if you are > confused by what may have happened, and there is the Action History, > which should show you what was done. i agree with you. but i still feel better when the undo shows me what it's doing... > Could there be a popup that tells you what object was carried out in > the undo? as you know i belong to the popup religion. i believe in the painful death on the cross of the almighty popup. after three days it rocketed up the sky to its father, freeing us from the death sin. we're not allowed to spell its name until the end of times. but the apocalypse is getting closer: we're all waiting for the day, when it comes back to us and everything will popup out of the ground and ask for the final confirmation. > Let's say you delete an object, and Scribus moves to that > page...are you going to know what it did? There is no object there > anymore! libreoffice write shows the empty place where the frame was. if you undo/redo a few times you will have a nice handmade animation showing what has been removed. ciao a.l.e From gpittman at iglou.com Thu Oct 23 11:53:30 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:53:30 -0400 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <20141023093911.497be7ce@eiseiseis> References: <20141022100842.3397185e@eiseiseis> <544799AB.40501@iglou.com> <20141023093911.497be7ce@eiseiseis> Message-ID: <5448EC3A.70501@iglou.com> On 10/23/2014 03:39 AM, ale rimoldi wrote: > but the apocalypse is getting closer: we're all waiting for the day, > when it comes back to us and everything will popup out of the ground and > ask for the final confirmation. > > How about a message in the status bar? I'm not a fan of jumping around the document like you're suggesting. Greg From peter at nermander.se Thu Oct 23 12:29:13 2014 From: peter at nermander.se (Peter Nermander) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:29:13 +0200 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone Message-ID: > How about a message in the status bar? I'm not a fan of jumping around > the document like you're suggesting. > > And what should the status bar say? "Letter g undone in text frame Text1"? IMO this is a matter of acknowledging what was done, and from what I can tell most other programs show the user what was undone, in the place it was undone. Or do you have a long list of programs that DON'T jump to the relevant spot? /Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gpittman at iglou.com Thu Oct 23 14:46:59 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:46:59 -0400 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <544914E3.1020308@iglou.com> On 10/23/2014 08:29 AM, Peter Nermander wrote: >> How about a message in the status bar? I'm not a fan of jumping around >> the document like you're suggesting. >> >> > And what should the status bar say? "Letter g undone in text frame Text1"? > > IMO this is a matter of acknowledging what was done, and from what I can > tell most other programs show the user what was undone, in the place it was > undone. > > Or do you have a long list of programs that DON'T jump to the relevant spot? > What I do have is an extensive list of the programs and situations I would like to be on one page and undo something on some other page: 1. --- Maybe we also need these other essential features: 1. Be able to open a document and undo the last operation on the document before it was saved. 2. Be able to have one document open and undo an operation on some other open document, or one saved on disk. 3. Be able to undo the last operation on someone else's computer who is also running Scribus. I think that signs of intelligence would be that if you're going to undo "something" on some other page, maybe you should look at the action history to see what you're going to undo, rather than wanting to play a GUI video game of undoing-redoing-undoing just for the cool visual effect. Greg From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Thu Oct 23 17:15:08 2014 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:15:08 +1300 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544914E3.1020308@iglou.com> References: <544914E3.1020308@iglou.com> Message-ID: <20141023171508.GG4458@tal> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:46:59AM -0400, Gregory Pittman wrote: > 2. Be able to have one document open and undo an operation on some other > open document, or one saved on disk. Ambitious --- so a changes file has to be kept for each file? > 3. Be able to undo the last operation on someone else's computer who is > also running Scribus. Wow, think of the security implications[1], plus there is also the risk of Joe user having a heart attack as he sees his changes being undone in front of his very eyes. Maybe you could it the Halloween version? :) [1] Yes even on Windoze, it should be a concern. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From peter at nermander.se Fri Oct 24 05:08:01 2014 From: peter at nermander.se (Peter Nermander) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:08:01 +0200 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone Message-ID: > > What I do have is an extensive list of the programs and situations I > would like to be on one page and undo something on some other page: > > Very interesting, since I can not think of one single such situation, could you describe one for me? How do you even remember what it is that will become undone with Ctrl-Z? When I work in MS Word (at work) I'm often in the situation that Ctrl-Z undoes something else than I thought it would do because I have forgotten a small editing I did while moving to another location in the document. For example I edit a paragraph, move to another place and during the move I spot an extra space before a comma and remove it, and then I think the Undo will undo the first edit while it just inserts the space again. /Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gpittman at iglou.com Fri Oct 24 12:00:50 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:00:50 -0400 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <544A3F72.2050109@iglou.com> On 10/24/2014 01:08 AM, Peter Nermander wrote: >> >> What I do have is an extensive list of the programs and situations I >> would like to be on one page and undo something on some other page: >> >> > Very interesting, since I can not think of one single such situation, could > you describe one for me? I guess the joke was too subtle. It was a null list. Greg From sv1 at fellsnet.is Fri Oct 24 12:17:18 2014 From: sv1 at fellsnet.is (=?windows-1252?Q?Sveinn_=ED_Felli?=) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:17:18 +0000 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <544A434E.5000400@fellsnet.is> ?ann f?s 24.okt 2014 05:08, skrifa?i Peter Nermander: >> >> What I do have is an extensive list of the programs and situations I >> would like to be on one page and undo something on some other page: >> >> > Very interesting, since I can not think of one single such situation, could > you describe one for me? How do you even remember what it is that will > become undone with Ctrl-Z? Well, you wouldn't by using the shortcut, but in Scribus the undo via the menu reads: Undo: [action] Ctrl+Z So if not sure what Ctrl+Z does, grab your mouse and check in Edit --> Undo I'm wondering if the problem (if there is a problem) is maybe more general; should the view go automatically to cursor location in case of any kind of edit? As an opt-in feature or default? How to implement such a feature? Just thoughts, Sveinn ? Felli From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Fri Oct 24 12:19:31 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:19:31 +0200 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544A3F72.2050109@iglou.com> References: <544A3F72.2050109@iglou.com> Message-ID: <544A43D3.8040206@xox.ch> hi > On 10/24/2014 01:08 AM, Peter Nermander wrote: >>> What I do have is an extensive list of the programs and situations I >>> would like to be on one page and undo something on some other page: >>> >>> >> Very interesting, since I can not think of one single such situation, could >> you describe one for me? > I guess the joke was too subtle. It was a null list. > i guess that you didn't get the point. or at least part of it. the problem is not what happens when undoing, something when you just scrolled away from the page where you made a change. this was simply the most visible and simple case i could come up with. you have the same problem when you undo a bunch of action on a busy page, or a page where you did lot of little changes. or on items that for any reasons are currently on screen (cf. zoom). having to undo with no visual feedback puts me in a stress situation. i have to double check that what happens is what i thought was going to happen. and i have too little visual hint. of course, as you write, the action history can help me figure out what it's happening! it's really a good way to display it. but, to me it's not enough. and since a list of software that behave like scribus was requested: you can add claws-mail to it! sadly, it's my mail client of choice... and i promise you: i try to avoid the undo. and before i start undoing, i always copy the full content of the email. you never know. luckily, undo is (to me) less important when writing emails than when layouting a document! the counter example being the good old vim. i can undo hours of work, just to pick parts of an old state and redo everything with little or no stress. vim's undo just feels like a good friend... and i see what has changed just as if it was a movie. still, since nobody seems to be motivated enough to write a specification, on how scribus should be focusing when undoing, we will probably keep the current state for a bit longer! have a nice weekend a.l.e From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Fri Oct 24 13:40:23 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:40:23 +0200 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544A434E.5000400@fellsnet.is> References: <544A434E.5000400@fellsnet.is> Message-ID: <544A56C7.9060304@xox.ch> hi > I'm wondering if the problem (if there is a problem) is maybe more > general; should the view go automatically to cursor location in case > of any kind of edit? good hint! > How to implement such a feature? let's first focus on what we should implement? ciao a.l.e From gpittman at iglou.com Fri Oct 24 16:38:13 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:38:13 -0400 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544A56C7.9060304@xox.ch> References: <544A434E.5000400@fellsnet.is> <544A56C7.9060304@xox.ch> Message-ID: <544A8075.2060908@iglou.com> On 10/24/2014 09:40 AM, a.l.e wrote: > hi >> I'm wondering if the problem (if there is a problem) is maybe more >> general; should the view go automatically to cursor location in case >> of any kind of edit? > > good hint! > >> How to implement such a feature? > > let's first focus on what we should implement? > It might be good to first consider what actions are undoable. Some may be relatively invisible, and others may be pageless -- changes to a style for example. Greg From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Sat Oct 25 03:26:42 2014 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:26:42 +1300 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544A3F72.2050109@iglou.com> References: <544A3F72.2050109@iglou.com> Message-ID: <20141025032641.GG530@tal> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 08:00:50AM -0400, Gregory Pittman wrote: > On 10/24/2014 01:08 AM, Peter Nermander wrote: > >> > >> What I do have is an extensive list of the programs and situations I > >> would like to be on one page and undo something on some other page: Isn't a full stop missing here somewhere (not quite sure where though) > > Very interesting, since I can not think of one single such situation, could > > you describe one for me? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Sat Oct 25 08:42:48 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 10:42:48 +0200 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544A8075.2060908@iglou.com> References: <544A434E.5000400@fellsnet.is> <544A56C7.9060304@xox.ch> <544A8075.2060908@iglou.com> Message-ID: <20141025104248.3fb6825c@digiteis> hi greg > It might be good to first consider what actions are undoable. Some may > be relatively invisible, and others may be pageless -- changes to a > style for example. you raised here a very valid concern! thanks ciao a.l.e From pip at net.hr Fri Oct 24 15:42:16 2014 From: pip at net.hr (PhilipPirrip) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:42:16 -0400 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544A56C7.9060304@xox.ch> References: <544A434E.5000400@fellsnet.is> <544A56C7.9060304@xox.ch> Message-ID: On 10/24/2014 09:40 AM, a.l.e wrote: > let's first focus on what we should implement? When saving the state before an action, save the screen position as well. When undoing, first go back to the saved screen position. Nothing should be undone without a visual feedback. From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Tue Oct 28 15:10:33 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:10:33 +0100 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: References: <544A434E.5000400@fellsnet.is> <544A56C7.9060304@xox.ch> Message-ID: <544FB1E9.7020100@xox.ch> hi philip > On 10/24/2014 09:40 AM, a.l.e wrote: >> let's first focus on what we should implement? > > When saving the state before an action, save the screen position as > well. When undoing, first go back to the saved screen position. > Nothing should be undone without a visual feedback. i took note of it... ciao a.l.e From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Tue Oct 28 15:15:10 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:15:10 +0100 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: References: <544A434E.5000400@fellsnet.is> <544A56C7.9060304@xox.ch> Message-ID: <544FB2FE.2040209@xox.ch> hi > let's first focus on what we should implement? i'd like to remind you that the initial request was about somebody writing a specificiation on how the undo should visually behave when the users undoes her last action. it's really interesting to read about your hints and i'm taking note of what is being said... but i fear that we will need a more organic view on the issue to make the issue progress. so, if you know that might be interested in contributing and who is skilled in UX, take the chance and do something good for scribus! ciao a.l.e From press at hjemmepc.no Tue Oct 28 17:30:05 2014 From: press at hjemmepc.no (HjemmePC) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:30:05 +0100 Subject: [scribus] Press request Message-ID: Hi, we are sending this email to software companies that want to be reviewed in HjemmePC, Norway. We might have done business with you before, but it would be great to continue this. We are planning reviews for 2015, so let us know what is possible from your side to be included in our magazine. We want to get in contact with those of you that can offer some full license key or any other special deals for our readers. It could either be an older fullversion, with upgrade offer to latest, or that we run a competition with 5-10 licenses to those answer correct. We are open to suggestion. All in return for greater coverage. I hope to hear back from you. Regards Kent Kjernes Editor HjemmePC Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please ignore this post if out of place... and forgive me for butting in. Ciao :-) marina --- Italy or Australia MacBook Pro 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5, OS X 10.9.5 MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, OS X 10.6.8 www.mtadiello.com @martadiello From joe at zeff.us Tue Oct 28 19:13:03 2014 From: joe at zeff.us (Joe Zeff) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:13:03 -0700 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <544FEABF.4000200@zeff.us> On 10/28/2014 11:40 AM, mt wrote: > Just joined this mailing list and I am totally new to Scribus. Also, I'm > not a programmer/developer, so not sure whether this list is where I > might be able to ask for help as a Scribus user... This is exactly the right place. Welcome to Scribus! From gpittman at iglou.com Tue Oct 28 19:37:12 2014 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:37:12 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Press request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <544FF068.5060901@iglou.com> On 10/28/2014 01:30 PM, HjemmePC wrote: > Hi, we are sending this email to software companies that want to be > reviewed in HjemmePC, Norway. We might have done business with you before, > but it would be great to continue this. We are planning reviews for 2015, > so let us know what is possible from your side to be included in our > magazine. We want to get in contact with those of you that can offer some > full license key or any other special deals for our readers. It could > either be an older fullversion, with upgrade offer to latest, or that we > run a competition with 5-10 licenses to those answer correct. oh, this again...they just don't get it. Greg From patrick at aroaustralia.com Tue Oct 28 23:43:44 2014 From: patrick at aroaustralia.com (Patrick Ernst) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10:13:44 +1030 Subject: [scribus] Press request In-Reply-To: <544FF068.5060901@iglou.com> References: <544FF068.5060901@iglou.com> Message-ID: <54502A30.4030604@aroaustralia.com> On 29/10/2014 6:07 AM, Gregory Pittman wrote: > On 10/28/2014 01:30 PM, HjemmePC wrote: >> Hi, we are sending this email to software companies that want to be >> reviewed in HjemmePC, Norway. We might have done business with you before, >> but it would be great to continue this. We are planning reviews for 2015, >> so let us know what is possible from your side to be included in our >> magazine. We want to get in contact with those of you that can offer some >> full license key or any other special deals for our readers. It could >> either be an older fullversion, with upgrade offer to latest, or that we >> run a competition with 5-10 licenses to those answer correct. > oh, this again...they just don't get it. > > Greg If it is possible Greg, can I put my name in to get a free license of Scribus? Patrick > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From kiwijohn at xnet.co.nz Wed Oct 29 02:42:11 2014 From: kiwijohn at xnet.co.nz (kiwijohn) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:42:11 +1300 Subject: [scribus] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <54502A30.4030604@aroaustralia.com> References: <544FF068.5060901@iglou.com> <54502A30.4030604@aroaustralia.com> Message-ID: <54505403.8090009@xnet.co.nz> Please remove me from these discussions. Thanks John O'Neill On 29/10/2014 12:43 p.m., Patrick Ernst wrote: > > On 29/10/2014 6:07 AM, Gregory Pittman wrote: >> On 10/28/2014 01:30 PM, HjemmePC wrote: >>> Hi, we are sending this email to software companies that want to be >>> reviewed in HjemmePC, Norway. We might have done business with you >>> before, >>> but it would be great to continue this. We are planning reviews for >>> 2015, >>> so let us know what is possible from your side to be included in our >>> magazine. We want to get in contact with those of you that can offer >>> some >>> full license key or any other special deals for our readers. It could >>> either be an older fullversion, with upgrade offer to latest, or >>> that we >>> run a competition with 5-10 licenses to those answer correct. >> oh, this again...they just don't get it. >> >> Greg > > If it is possible Greg, can I put my name in to get a free license of > Scribus? > > > > Patrick >> >> >> ___ >> Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net >> Edit your options or unsubscribe: >> http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus >> See also: >> http://wiki.scribus.net >> http://forums.scribus.net > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net > From joe at zeff.us Wed Oct 29 02:55:36 2014 From: joe at zeff.us (Joe Zeff) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 19:55:36 -0700 Subject: [scribus] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <54505403.8090009@xnet.co.nz> References: <544FF068.5060901@iglou.com> <54502A30.4030604@aroaustralia.com> <54505403.8090009@xnet.co.nz> Message-ID: <54505728.8090406@zeff.us> On 10/28/2014 07:42 PM, kiwijohn wrote: > Please remove me from these discussions. Thanks > John O'Neill Your post contained three copies of the instructions on how to get unsubscribed from this list. My reply contains another set, which I will leave as an exercise for the reader. From christoph-schaefer at gmx.de Wed Oct 29 06:17:57 2014 From: christoph-schaefer at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?=22Christoph_Sch=C3=A4fer=22?=) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:17:57 +0100 Subject: [scribus] Press request In-Reply-To: <54502A30.4030604@aroaustralia.com> References: <544FF068.5060901@iglou.com>, <54502A30.4030604@aroaustralia.com> Message-ID: > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2014 um 00:43 Uhr > Von: "Patrick Ernst" > An: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Betreff: Re: [scribus] Press request > > > On 29/10/2014 6:07 AM, Gregory Pittman wrote: > > On 10/28/2014 01:30 PM, HjemmePC wrote: > >> Hi, we are sending this email to software companies that want to be > >> reviewed in HjemmePC, Norway. We might have done business with you before, > >> but it would be great to continue this. We are planning reviews for 2015, > >> so let us know what is possible from your side to be included in our > >> magazine. We want to get in contact with those of you that can offer some > >> full license key or any other special deals for our readers. It could > >> either be an older fullversion, with upgrade offer to latest, or that we > >> run a competition with 5-10 licenses to those answer correct. > > oh, this again...they just don't get it. > > > > Greg > > If it is possible Greg, can I put my name in to get a free license of > Scribus? > > > > Patrick You can have a free licence for an older version, but we'll withhold the licence key for a full version unless you won the competition. For access to 1.5.0svn, please send us mucho dineros ;) Christoph From peter at nermander.se Wed Oct 29 06:18:04 2014 From: peter at nermander.se (Peter Nermander) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:18:04 +0100 Subject: [scribus] Press request Message-ID: 2014-10-28 18:30 GMT+01:00 HjemmePC : > Hi, we are sending this email to software companies that want to be > reviewed in HjemmePC, Norway. We might have done business with you before, > but it would be great to continue this. We are planning reviews for 2015, > so let us know what is possible from your side to be included in our > magazine. We want to get in contact with those of you that can offer some > full license key or any other special deals for our readers. It could > either be an older fullversion, with upgrade offer to latest, or that we > run a competition with 5-10 licenses to those answer correct. We are open > to suggestion. All in return for greater coverage. I hope to hear back from > you. > > Scribus is Free Open Source Software, anybody can download and use Scribus for free. There is no license or fee whatsoever to use Scribus. Since this is not the first time your magazine makes a similar request I suggest you update your procedures and do some research before you send out requests in blind. Otherwise your requests may be considered spam and the magazines reputation is likely to take damage. And take note: I am just an ordinary Scribus user. /Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mt at lockedbags.org Wed Oct 29 06:49:54 2014 From: mt at lockedbags.org (mt) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:49:54 +0100 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <544FEABF.4000200@zeff.us> Message-ID: On 28/10/14 at 8:13 PM, joe at zeff.us (Joe Zeff) wrote: >On 10/28/2014 11:40 AM, mt wrote: >>Just joined this mailing list and I am totally new to Scribus. Also, I'm >>not a programmer/developer, so not sure whether this list is where I >>might be able to ask for help as a Scribus user... > >This is exactly the right place. Welcome to Scribus! > > Great, thank you :-) My first (big) question follows... marina From mt at lockedbags.org Wed Oct 29 07:06:14 2014 From: mt at lockedbags.org (mt) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:06:14 +0100 Subject: [scribus] InDesign to Scribus Message-ID: Greetings all, I am considering Scribus after recently losing my HD (although not my user data) and becoming "orphaned" of the Adobe CS 5 suite of applications. Having never enjoyed Adobe products, nor their lousy "service", I'm taking this 'problem' as a great opportunity to try something different. And nothing beats Scribus price-wise of course! Must confess though I am a bit worried about the transition, so here are a few real novice questions: - How steep a learning curve should I expect? In other words -will it take hours, days or weeks (for an 'old dog' who used to be a relatively fast learner) to get used to Scribus? - During one of the searches I ran on duckduckgo, I remember coming across a tutorial that highlighted the differences between Scribus and InDesign/QuarXpress. Apparently I did not bookmark it and don't seem to be able to find it any more. Any bells ringing...? - I have InDesign files for a few manuals, as well as the resulting PDFs ready for printing. Individual chapters also exist in .doc format, minus some of the editing and a lot of the formatting. Is there any way to extract and convert to Scribus any of the formatting information from the PDF or InDesign files -especially margins and styles? Thanking you in advance, Ciao for now :-) marina --- Italy or Australia MacBook Pro 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5, OS X 10.9.5 MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, OS X 10.6.8 www.mtadiello.com @martadiello From dksamuel at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 07:57:31 2014 From: dksamuel at gmail.com (Duleep Samuel) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:27:31 +0530 Subject: [scribus] InDesign to Scribus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Marina you can see a comparision among DTP programs http://www.laidout.org/dtpcompare.html - How steep a learning curve should I expect? In other words -will it take hours, days or weeks (for an 'old dog' who used to be a relatively fast learner) to get used to Scribus? within 2 weeks you will be definitely a pro - During one of the searches I ran on duckduckgo, I remember coming across a tutorial that highlighted the differences between Scribus and InDesign/QuarXpress. Apparently I did not bookmark it and don't seem to be able to find it any more. Any bells ringing...? I cant locate this file - I have InDesign files for a few manuals, as well as the resulting PDFs ready for printing. Individual chapters also exist in .doc format, minus some of the editing and a lot of the formatting. Is there any way to extract and convert to Scribus any of the formatting information from the PDF or InDesign files -especially margins and styles? that cant be actually predicted, convert to scribus maynot work to your full satisfaction, regards, Samuel, Bangalore, India On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:36 PM, mt wrote: > Greetings all, > > I am considering Scribus after recently losing my HD (although not my user > data) and becoming "orphaned" of the Adobe CS 5 suite of applications. > Having never enjoyed Adobe products, nor their lousy "service", I'm taking > this 'problem' as a great opportunity to try something different. And > nothing beats Scribus price-wise of course! > > Must confess though I am a bit worried about the transition, so here are a > few real novice questions: > > - How steep a learning curve should I expect? In other words -will it take > hours, days or weeks (for an 'old dog' who used to be a relatively fast > learner) to get used to Scribus? > > - During one of the searches I ran on duckduckgo, I remember coming across > a tutorial that highlighted the differences between Scribus and > InDesign/QuarXpress. Apparently I did not bookmark it and don't seem to be > able to find it any more. Any bells ringing...? > > - I have InDesign files for a few manuals, as well as the resulting PDFs > ready for printing. Individual chapters also exist in .doc format, minus > some of the editing and a lot of the formatting. Is there any way to > extract and convert to Scribus any of the formatting information from the > PDF or InDesign files -especially margins and styles? > > Thanking you in advance, > > Ciao for now :-) > > marina > --- > Italy or Australia > MacBook Pro 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5, OS X 10.9.5 > MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, OS X 10.6.8 > www.mtadiello.com @martadiello > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jluc at no-log.org Wed Oct 29 08:10:24 2014 From: jluc at no-log.org (JLuc) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 09:10:24 +0100 Subject: [scribus] InDesign to Scribus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello DTP principles are about the same in Xpress, In Design and Scribus. Best is : try and see. The biggest changes will be shortcuts and user interface. It wont take long before you can use scribus and it wont take much longer before you know all you need to know. Furthermore, Scribus 1.5 will be released in a couple of month. This unstable version will provide tools that might help you to deal with your old documents : - excellent PDF import - basic InDesign import JL Le 29/10/2014 08:06, mt a ?crit : > Greetings all, > > I am considering Scribus after recently losing my HD (although not my user data) and becoming "orphaned" of the Adobe CS > 5 suite of applications. Having never enjoyed Adobe products, nor their lousy "service", I'm taking this 'problem' as a > great opportunity to try something different. And nothing beats Scribus price-wise of course! > > Must confess though I am a bit worried about the transition, so here are a few real novice questions: > > - How steep a learning curve should I expect? In other words -will it take hours, days or weeks (for an 'old dog' who > used to be a relatively fast learner) to get used to Scribus? > > - During one of the searches I ran on duckduckgo, I remember coming across a tutorial that highlighted the differences > between Scribus and InDesign/QuarXpress. Apparently I did not bookmark it and don't seem to be able to find it any more. > Any bells ringing...? > > - I have InDesign files for a few manuals, as well as the resulting PDFs ready for printing. Individual chapters also > exist in .doc format, minus some of the editing and a lot of the formatting. Is there any way to extract and convert to > Scribus any of the formatting information from the PDF or InDesign files -especially margins and styles? > > Thanking you in advance, > > Ciao for now :-) > > marina > --- > Italy or Australia > MacBook Pro 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5, OS X 10.9.5 > MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, OS X 10.6.8 > www.mtadiello.com @martadiello > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net > From jflemaire at skynet.be Wed Oct 29 08:28:04 2014 From: jflemaire at skynet.be (J. F. Lemaire) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 09:28:04 +0100 Subject: [scribus] InDesign to Scribus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 29 October 2014 09:10, JLuc wrote: > This unstable version will provide tools that might help you Not sure the term "unstable" gave marina much confidence to try it ;-) Cheers, JFL -- Jean-Fran?ois Lemaire From ale.comp_06 at xox.ch Wed Oct 29 15:28:10 2014 From: ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:28:10 +0100 Subject: [scribus] Press request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141029162810.7be60079@digiteis> hi > Otherwise your requests may be > considered spam and the magazines reputation is likely to take damage. long time ago, when they first sent their request to the scribus list, i did some research: don't fear, no chance that their reputation can take any damage, no matter what they do! on the other side, we can ask ourselves if we want to have some exposure in the norvegian mass computer market... ciao a.l.e From cbradney at scribus.info Wed Oct 29 18:21:47 2014 From: cbradney at scribus.info (Craig Bradney) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:21:47 +0100 Subject: [scribus] Press request In-Reply-To: <20141029162810.7be60079@digiteis> References: <20141029162810.7be60079@digiteis> Message-ID: > On 29 Oct 2014, at 4:28 pm, ale rimoldi wrote: > > hi > >> Otherwise your requests may be >> considered spam and the magazines reputation is likely to take damage. > > long time ago, when they first sent their request to the scribus list, > i did some research: don't fear, no chance that their reputation can > take any damage, no matter what they do! > > on the other side, we can ask ourselves if we want to have some > exposure in the norvegian mass computer market? > Scribus servers are mostly served from Norway? Craig From jacella at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 18:48:09 2014 From: jacella at gmail.com (Jeffrey Cella) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:48:09 -0400 Subject: [scribus] Press request In-Reply-To: References: <20141029162810.7be60079@digiteis> Message-ID: Please remove me from this list. Thank you. *Jeffrey Alan Cella* *J A C E N T E R P R I S E S / J A C P R O D U C T I O N S* (845) 417-6825 Please tell your friends about our new festival: EQUINE! EQUINE! EQUINE! ANNUAL EQUINE FESTIVAL on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnnualEquineFestival On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Craig Bradney wrote: > > > On 29 Oct 2014, at 4:28 pm, ale rimoldi wrote: > > > > hi > > > >> Otherwise your requests may be > >> considered spam and the magazines reputation is likely to take damage. > > > > long time ago, when they first sent their request to the scribus list, > > i did some research: don't fear, no chance that their reputation can > > take any damage, no matter what they do! > > > > on the other side, we can ask ourselves if we want to have some > > exposure in the norvegian mass computer market? > > > > Scribus servers are mostly served from Norway? > > Craig > > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greg From christoph-schaefer at gmx.de Thu Oct 30 06:36:55 2014 From: christoph-schaefer at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?=22Christoph_Sch=C3=A4fer=22?=) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:36:55 +0100 Subject: [scribus] InDesign to Scribus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ciao Marina, > > Must confess though I am a bit worried about the transition, so > here are a few real novice questions: > > - How steep a learning curve should I expect? In other words > -will it take hours, days or weeks (for an 'old dog' who used to > be a relatively fast learner) to get used to Scribus? Hours for the basics (including consulting the included documentation and especially the "Get Started" chapter), days to figure out the details (as well as Scribus's still existing quirks, but also its advantages), weeks to let you forget your InDesign habits. > > - I have InDesign files for a few manuals, as well as the > resulting PDFs ready for printing. Individual chapters also > exist in .doc format, minus some of the editing and a lot of the > formatting. Is there any way to extract and convert to Scribus > any of the formatting information from the PDF or InDesign files > -especially margins and styles? As JLuc already wrote, the next version of Scribus will provide an InDesign import filter, but only for IDML and IDMS (ID snippets) files, *not* for INDD files. I suggest you download a trial version of ID CS 6 and convert all INDD files to IDML during the trial period. If you want to use the old output with Scribus 1.4.x, you can try opening the PDF files. Regarding styles in both InDesign and Word Documents, I strongly recommend the use of LibreOffice (LO). From InDesign you can export to XHTML, which can be opened by LO. The same goes for Word documents. You can save both formats as ODT files, which Scribus can import with styles and formatting (mostly) intact. Unfortunately, margins cannot be imported that way, so you need to re-create them manually in 1.4.x. HTH, Christoph From mt at lockedbags.org Thu Oct 30 10:07:24 2014 From: mt at lockedbags.org (mt) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:07:24 +0100 Subject: [scribus] InDesign to Scribus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks Christoph, Samuel, Jean-Luc and Jean-Fran?ois :-) For some mysterious reason, I was able to get InDesign to work yesterday - so I will take your suggestion and wait for next version of Scribus, so as to have the time to get used to it before being 'forced' to use it. Old habits are hard to change, so I'll have to see how successful my current writer app (Nisus Writer Pro) is at saving .ods files. I use OpenOffice regularly and extensively for spreadsheets, but am not sure I want to move to it (or LibreOffice) for writing. Anyway, it's great to know about Scribus, and thank you for being so nice and willing to help! Ciao for now :-) marina --- Italy or Australia MacBook Pro 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5, OS X 10.9.5 MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, OS X 10.6.8 www.mtadiello.com @martadiello From peter at nermander.se Thu Oct 30 10:33:33 2014 From: peter at nermander.se (Peter Nermander) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:33:33 +0100 Subject: [scribus] InDesign to Scribus Message-ID: For some mysterious reason, I was able to get InDesign to work yesterday - > so I will take your suggestion and wait for next version of Scribus, so as > to have the time to get used to it before being 'forced' to use it. > > Now, while you have ID working, make sure to re-save all your old documents in a format that Scribus will be able to import. You might also consider to "export" the contents from your old ID documents. Copy the texts to text files, save the images as image files in separate folders and take notes of margins and other figures. The reason is that you can not always rely on import filters to work flawlessly, sometimes there will be features that are not compatible between programs. In such cases you will need to "rebuild" your documents from scratch, and having the content separetly saved makes it easier. Also rebuilding your documents in Scribus is an excellent way to learn to use Scribus. /Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thing is that many of the Scribus devs are also subscribed to this list, thus sometimes discussions tend to go overboard and into some level of programming technicalities. I think it's a good thing for both users and developers. Best regards, Sveinn ? Felli From a.l.e at ideale.ch Fri Oct 31 14:48:27 2014 From: a.l.e at ideale.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:48:27 +0100 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <5452177F.8000905@fellsnet.is> References: <5452177F.8000905@fellsnet.is> Message-ID: <5453A13B.4010704@ideale.ch> buond?, > ?ann ?ri 28.okt 2014 18:40, skrifa?i mt: >> On 28/10/14 at 4:15 PM, ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) wrote: >>> ... >>> i'd like to remind you that the initial request was about somebody >>> writing a specificiation on how the undo should visually behave when >>> the users undoes her last action. >>> >> >> Just joined this mailing list and I am totally new to Scribus. Also, I'm >> not a programmer/developer, so not sure whether this list is where I >> might be able to ask for help as a Scribus user... > > Quite right, sometimes one may wonder - but this is the mailinglist > for normal 'mortal' users. > Thing is that many of the Scribus devs are also subscribed to this > list, thus sometimes discussions tend to go overboard and into some > level of programming technicalities. > I think it's a good thing for both users and developers. > > Best regards, > Sveinn ? Felli on the other side, this is one of the nice things in free software: even as a mortal user, if you want it, you can do that small step that makes an ?bermensch out of you, one that is able to participate and start discussions that at the end produces our -- and now a little bit your own! -- program. ... and you don't even have to be skilled in coding to do that :-) eh eh, of course it's not that easy to do that step, and nobody is forced to do it nor want to do it! enjoy, relax, and let flow through the threads that you don't understand! ciao a.l.e From jacella at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 20:11:45 2014 From: jacella at gmail.com (Jeffrey Cella) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:11:45 -0400 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <5453A13B.4010704@ideale.ch> References: <5452177F.8000905@fellsnet.is> <5453A13B.4010704@ideale.ch> Message-ID: Stop this crazy thing! *Jeffrey Alan Cella* *J A C E N T E R P R I S E S / J A C P R O D U C T I O N S* (845) 417-6825 Please tell your friends about our new festival: EQUINE! EQUINE! EQUINE! ANNUAL EQUINE FESTIVAL on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnnualEquineFestival On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:48 AM, ale rimoldi wrote: > buond?, > >> ?ann ?ri 28.okt 2014 18:40, skrifa?i mt: >> >>> On 28/10/14 at 4:15 PM, ale.comp_06 at xox.ch (a.l.e) wrote: >>> >>>> ... >>>> i'd like to remind you that the initial request was about somebody >>>> writing a specificiation on how the undo should visually behave when >>>> the users undoes her last action. >>>> >>>> >>> Just joined this mailing list and I am totally new to Scribus. Also, I'm >>> not a programmer/developer, so not sure whether this list is where I >>> might be able to ask for help as a Scribus user... >>> >> >> Quite right, sometimes one may wonder - but this is the mailinglist for >> normal 'mortal' users. >> Thing is that many of the Scribus devs are also subscribed to this list, >> thus sometimes discussions tend to go overboard and into some level of >> programming technicalities. >> I think it's a good thing for both users and developers. >> >> Best regards, >> Sveinn ? Felli >> > > on the other side, this is one of the nice things in free software: even > as a mortal user, if you want it, you can do that small step that makes an > ?bermensch out of you, one that is able to participate and start > discussions that at the end produces our -- and now a little bit your own! > -- program. > > ... and you don't even have to be skilled in coding to do that :-) > > eh eh, of course it's not that easy to do that step, and nobody is forced > to do it nor want to do it! > > enjoy, relax, and let flow through the threads that you don't understand! > > ciao > a.l.e > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From joe at zeff.us Fri Oct 31 20:23:53 2014 From: joe at zeff.us (Joe Zeff) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:23:53 -0700 Subject: [scribus] focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: References: <5452177F.8000905@fellsnet.is> <5453A13B.4010704@ideale.ch> Message-ID: <5453EFD9.6000306@zeff.us> On 10/31/2014 01:11 PM, Jeffrey Cella wrote: > Stop this crazy thing! Only you can. Unless, of course, you prefer entertaining us and ignoring the instructions THAT ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF EVERY MESSAGE TO THE MAILING LIST. From mheieis at alois.ca Fri Oct 31 20:50:15 2014 From: mheieis at alois.ca (Mark Heieis) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:50:15 -0700 Subject: [scribus] Another approach? Re: focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5453F607.1080906@alois.ca> Hi, This has been a long thread but in all of it, I haven't seen a discussion for an alternate approach. To me, there seems to be a general consensus in wanting an "undo" function. The challenge, however, is around having it function in a visual context and to let the user know what's being undone - fair comment. All sorts of questions were raised regarding how this would be handled for non-visual actions. I would like to throw into the discussion the notion of a history list, through which the undo would be executed. The history list would contain all changes made after the last save. A user can click on any step (level) in the stack and the document would revert back to that step (level), discarding all changes after it. The larger questions here being how far back can scribus go and how to manage the incremental states between saves. See Darktable, which has a "history stack", to see how this works. It's very straight forward and the user clearly sees what's going to be "undone". Whether this approach is feasible or desired in scribus is another discussion. On 2014-10-23 22:08, Peter Nermander wrote: >> What I do have is an extensive list of the programs and situations I >> would like to be on one page and undo something on some other page: >> >> > Very interesting, since I can not think of one single such situation, could > you describe one for me? How do you even remember what it is that will > become undone with Ctrl-Z? When I work in MS Word (at work) I'm often in > the situation that Ctrl-Z undoes something else than I thought it would do > because I have forgotten a small editing I did while moving to another > location in the document. For example I edit a paragraph, move to another > place and during the move I spot an extra space before a comma and remove > it, and then I think the Undo will undo the first edit while it just > inserts the space again. > > /Peter > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net From jehan.marmottard at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 21:35:11 2014 From: jehan.marmottard at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?SmVoYW4gUGFnw6hz?=) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:35:11 +0100 Subject: [scribus] Libre Calendar 2015 Message-ID: Hello all, I am Jehan, a GIMP developer, and user of Free Software. I really like Scribus too (I never patched it yet, though it may come some day, as I use it more and more lately). Anyway, a small non-profit I manage, association LILA, is organizing for a month a calendar sale with several artists using Free Software. http://librecal2015.libreart.info/ The artists are: Patrick David, Aryeom Han, Henri Hebeisen, Gustavo Deveze and Brian Beck. Two are photographers, two are illustrators, and one is a 3D graphics illustrator. All of them use Free Software for their work and all the artworks in the calendar will be released as Creative Common Attribution. A part of the sale profit will go to the artists, and we also want to donate to a selection of Free Software. Among them, I thought that Scribus is a good donation target. But I realized that I can't find any donation information on your webpage. Searching the web, I found year-old emails saying that an organism able to receive funds was going to be created, but I can't find if that actually ever happen. Can the Scribus project receive any donation in a way or another to help with development? If not, I'll have to update the website. In any case, if you like the project, don't hesitate to go and buy a calendar. :-) Thanks! Jehan From cbradney at scribus.info Fri Oct 31 21:37:11 2014 From: cbradney at scribus.info (Craig Bradney) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:37:11 +0100 Subject: [scribus] Another approach? Re: focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <5453F607.1080906@alois.ca> References: <5453F607.1080906@alois.ca> Message-ID: <755B903E-8451-4CC7-8802-98B4FCB7CF69@scribus.info> > On 31 Oct 2014, at 9:50 pm, Mark Heieis wrote: > > Hi, > > This has been a long thread but in all of it, I haven't seen a discussion for an alternate approach. To me, there seems to be a general consensus in wanting an "undo" function. The challenge, however, is around having it function in a visual context and to let the user know what's being undone - fair comment. All sorts of questions were raised regarding how this would be handled for non-visual actions. > > I would like to throw into the discussion the notion of a history list, through which the undo would be executed. The history list would contain all changes made after the last save. A user can click on any step (level) in the stack and the document would revert back to that step (level), discarding all changes after it. The larger questions here being how far back can scribus go and how to manage the incremental states between saves. > > See Darktable, which has a "history stack", to see how this works. It's very straight forward and the user clearly sees what's going to be "undone". > > Whether this approach is feasible or desired in scribus is another discussion. > Scribus has had exactly this undo stack with such a list window for years.. Craig From mheieis at alois.ca Fri Oct 31 22:16:58 2014 From: mheieis at alois.ca (Mark Heieis) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:16:58 -0700 Subject: [scribus] Another approach? Re: focusing on what has been undone In-Reply-To: <755B903E-8451-4CC7-8802-98B4FCB7CF69@scribus.info> References: <5453F607.1080906@alois.ca> <755B903E-8451-4CC7-8802-98B4FCB7CF69@scribus.info> Message-ID: <54540A5A.1050005@alois.ca> Oops. Me Bad. Never noticed it. So I'm confused then. What is the issue? How Crtl-Z (or whatever key combination) should behave to let the user know what happened? Why not just pop up the history stack on keystroke and undo from there? Or is this how it behaves now? On 2014-10-31 14:37, Craig Bradney wrote: >> On 31 Oct 2014, at 9:50 pm, Mark Heieis wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> This has been a long thread but in all of it, I haven't seen a discussion for an alternate approach. To me, there seems to be a general consensus in wanting an "undo" function. The challenge, however, is around having it function in a visual context and to let the user know what's being undone - fair comment. All sorts of questions were raised regarding how this would be handled for non-visual actions. >> >> I would like to throw into the discussion the notion of a history list, through which the undo would be executed. The history list would contain all changes made after the last save. A user can click on any step (level) in the stack and the document would revert back to that step (level), discarding all changes after it. The larger questions here being how far back can scribus go and how to manage the incremental states between saves. >> >> See Darktable, which has a "history stack", to see how this works. It's very straight forward and the user clearly sees what's going to be "undone". >> >> Whether this approach is feasible or desired in scribus is another discussion. >> > > Scribus has had exactly this undo stack with such a list window for years.. > > Craig > > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net