[scribus] scribus for Mac 10.5 / 10.6

Fri Feb 12 13:57:47 UTC 2016

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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:19:46 +0100
> > From: Thom <div at ecliptic.ch>
> > To: scribus at lists.scribus.net
> > Subject: Re: [scribus] scribus for Mac 10.5 / 10.6
> > Message-ID: <1CF98613-6969-45D6-93F5-5E3E0D580222 at ecliptic.ch>
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> > Hi Martin
> >
> > Thanks. I found an Xcode version on the OS X install CD. Not sure if it
> was even needed. Xcode was not mentioned on the install guidehttp://
> wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus_and_Homebrew_Cask
> >
> > However, it did not work.
> >
> > I went on after Xcode install (4 GB installation just to install
> Scribus, a heck of a disproportionate effort, as is the whole procedure)
> >
> > I installed Cask. Then in terminal it asked to install Ruby, which I
> did: "brew install ruby", then "brew cask install scribus", it went again
> asking to install Ruby, which I did again and again, "brew cask install
> scribus" never works. So I am stuck again.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:19:53 +0100
> > From: Craig Bradney <cbradney at scribus.info>
> > To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
> > Subject: Re: [scribus] scribus for Mac 10.5 / 10.6
> > Message-ID: <858EDFE0-D291-4ACD-BEA6-14ED6426B033 at scribus.info>
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> >
> > Sorry, we don't support the older versions anymore. If you can get it to
> build, then great. There are issues on 10.5/10.6 with Qt that mean you need
> to use the Carbon version.
> >
> > We will soon be setting Qt5.4 as the minimum Qt version too for Scribus
> after 1.5.1 is released.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >> On 11 Feb 2016, at 12:44, Martin Costabel <costabel at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/02/16 11:30, Thom wrote:
> >>> Hello Scribus Team
> >>> I dont see how to write just to the ones who prepare the Scribus
> versions for different systems. The only way I found to give Input is this
> list, so I send it here.
> >>>
> >>> This ist just to let you guys know:It is not possible to install the
> early Mac OSX version (before 10.8). I am on Mac OS X 10.6.8. It says for
> this system (from 10.5) I have to install Homebrew Cask from Terminal.
> Which I did. Then in terminal it says next step: Install Xcode:
> https://developer.apple.com/xcode
> >>>
> >>> Well, thats the problem there, because when I try to do that, the link
> takes me to the AppStore, and trying to download it says I can't bacause X
> Code is for 10.10.5 or newer.
> >>
> >> There are older Xcode versions available at <
> https://developer.apple.com/downloads/>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Martin
> >>
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 14:52:26 +0100
> > From: ale rimoldi <ale.comp_06 at xox.ch>
> > To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
> > Subject: Re: [scribus] scribus for Mac 10.5 / 10.6
> > Message-ID: <56BC921A.80205 at xox.ch>
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> >
> > hoi thom
> >
> > if i understood correctly your issue, you should be able to download a
> > scribus 1.4.5 that does work on os x 10.5 :
> >
> > http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Download
> >
> > if you get the .pgk file, you won't need any brew, xcode & co. ...
> >
> > hth
> > a.l.e
>
>
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Thom <div at ecliptic.ch> wrote:

>
> Hello Craig
>
> Well, this leads to some principle questions. Why would I even start using
> Scribus frequently if actual versions are not running anymore on my system
> within  4 years. I mean that is what Apple and Adobe are doing
> intentionally and the main reason to get away from them. Now if Opensource
> software does the same, there really is no reason anymore to use it.
>
> Also you developers think too much technical. Users of your software are
> designers like me. I am not interested in Building a software or read about
> why you limit your development on the availability of certain libraries or
> whatever Qt is (I read QuickTime). If you ever want to be serious in
> developing a tool that is actually used by designers, you have to make it
> easy to get and use and make it durable. Otherwise it is no alternative to
> Adobe or Quark and no help to GNU/Linux because as long as there is no
> comparable tool available, someone like me is not able to switch over to
> GNU/Linux. Thats why I am still on Apple, but I refuse to go along with
> Apple forcing me to always have the most actual OS. 10.6.8 is a perfectly
> fine OS. There has been no necessary development since, except that
> artificial forcing anyone to create software that only runs on the newest
> OS for absolutely no reason.
>
> Well, just my thought here.
>
> Regards
> Thom
>

Hi Thom,

Thanks for your email. Some clarifications: I'm not a code developer. I'm a
Scribus project volunteer. I'm an OSX user like yourself.
I was the one who set up the 'brew cask' link on the Scribus download page.
brew cask is simply a command line OSX binary downloader [1]. It sits on
top of Homebrew, an OSX package manager [2]. It's a separate project from
Homebrew. The requirements  of Homebrew say "10.9 or higher is
recommended. *10.5
- 10.8 are supported on a best-effort basis.* For 10.4 and 10.5, see
Tigerbrew." [3]

I applaud you for sticking to your guns and continuing to use 10.6, as you
can see there are some even more hardcore folks that are still using 10.4
and 10.5. But.... it has it's repercussions. One of them not being able to
use the latest fixes and shiny new software that is released. Another
repercussion is making an effort to being informed and understanding what
this means of for you as a user who is deciding to forgo upgrading.

Qt is a cross-platorm framework that Scribus is built on. With every
version iteration new bugs get fixed, new components are added, old
components are upgraded or are removed. Scribus needs to keep up with those
changes because if it doesn't, functionality will start to break,
especially on OSX which Qt5 has way more support for then Qt4 did [4] I've
been looking at a lot of Scribus bugs lately as I been cleaning the
bugtracker [5] and believe me Qt5 bugs are annoying because we need to
submit reports to the Qt bugtracker directly (or follow open issues that
have been filed alreaady) in order to get that functionality to work.
Sometimes the Qt folks decide not to fix the issue or de-prioritize it.
BTW, this is all Qt5, we're not even talking Qt4. So all I'm saying that
there is complexity and sophistication here that you need to be aware of.

Another aspect that you don't see is that it takes ALOT of effort to
maintain a cross-platform application like Scribus. This effort is
volunteer based. No one is getting paid. Scribus still doesn't have a way
to practically and in a streamlined manner accept donations. To ask a
developer to extend themselves to have backward compatible support for what
is considered obsolete software, think of the compilers, libraries, and all
the dependencies that need to be kept archived in order to sustain that....
is asking them to do a lot of work and commit resources. One of them most
importantly being 'Time'.

I hope that clarifies things a little better to understand what is involved
in your request. Of course, like in many open source projects, if you see a
need then you can also choose to fill that need. Perhaps you can offer an
alternative idea or even resources to achieve your need. Even if you did,
it would need to be green-lit by the core-developers. Welcome to open
source :)

HTH,
/Kunda

[1] http://caskroom.io
[2] http://brew.sh
[3]
https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Installation.md#2
[4] As of 2/12/16 "OS X 10.7 "Lion" and 10.8 "Mountain Lion" are considered
reference configurations, meaning they are tested by a continuous
integration (CI) system. *Qt 5 applications may be deployed to Mac OS X
versions 10.6 "Snow Leopard", but support is limited.*"
[5] http://bugs.scribus.net
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