[scribus] Nugeing text

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Re:  Nugeing text (Gregory Pittman)
Thank you Gregory, but I still dont know how to tray that and see if it will do the job.
May be I should explain a little further. I need to get just one mor word in a sentance, I haven any room to expand the text box.

Wena

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   1. Re:  Nugeing text (Gregory Pittman)
   2.  Bad text came back from the printer, but why? (biw wien)
   3. Re:  Bad text came back from the printer, but why? (Lars Behrens)
   4. Re:  Bad text came back from the printer, but why?
      (Peter Nermander)
   5. Re:  Bad text came back from the printer, but why? (Jonas Nilsson)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 09:10:21 -0400
From: Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>
To: Scribus User Mailing List <scribus at lists.scribus.net>
Subject: Re: [scribus] Nugeing text
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On 10/12/2016 02:17 AM, Peter Nermander wrote:
>>
>>
>> The tooltip in Scribus says "Word Tracking", but kerning is what it is.
>>
> 
> Doesn't this depend on what is selected?
> 
> If the cursor is between two letters, the tool becomes kerning, however if
> a word or sentence is selected, the tool becomes tracking.
> 
>From what I can find in various locations, originally kerning applied to
the tail or part of a letter that went outside the boundaries of the
designated boundary, such as the long swooping tail of a capital Q.

Now it tends to be applied to adjustments in the space between letters.
If you do this in a global sort of way, this seems to be referred to a
work tracking, though to me I think this is a badly constructed term,
since it might theoretically mean you just change the space between words.

In Scribus, you can see that there is only one process, changing the
space between letters. If your cursor is between two letters, only that
space is adjusted. If you highlight a few letters, a word, a sentence or
a paragraph, only the spaces between glyphs in the highlighted area are
adjusted. If you simply use a selected frame not in Edit Contents mode
you adjust the spaces between all the glyphs.

Kerning is probably most often done as an aesthetic choice, when the
automatic space between glyphs doesn't look quite right. Word tracking
is a very common operation in publications like newspapers, where one is
trying to fix some ugliness or squeeze more words into a narrow fully
justified column of text.

Greg



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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 08:28:31 +0200
From: biw wien <biw1160 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [scribus] Bad text came back from the printer, but why?
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Hi,

I created a postcard in scribus and got it back from the printer with badly
printed text (scan_printed_card). It looks like a different font was used
or a different codepage. As I use scribus only once or twice a year and are
not a DTP trained person, I expect the error to be mine.

In the attached "screenshot.png" I show some details from scribus:
- When moving through edit text the font selected, fonts size etc do not
change
- The fonts are embedded

When I open the pdf on my ubuntu PC I see the proper text.

My questions are:
- Where did I go wrong?
- How could I have spotted that?
- Is there a website where you upload a pdf, and it presents you with an
image, how the pdf looks "really", when not on your computer?

Thanks for all your efforts,

Ciao, Felix
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 09:54:02 +0200
From: Lars Behrens <lars.behrens at kit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [scribus] Bad text came back from the printer, but why?
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Am Thu, 13 Oct 2016 08:28:31 +0200
schrieb biw wien <biw1160 at gmail.com>:

> - The fonts are embedded

I usually outline all fonts instead of only embedding them before
printing. This converts them from a font to a drawing object on my
machine.

That way one can be sure to eliminate font interpretation problems on
different pcs/operating systems.

Of course the resulting pdf is only for printing/displaying purposes,
as there is no more searchable text in it.

Cheerz,
Lars
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 10:56:27 +0200
From: Peter Nermander <peter at nermander.se>
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Subject: Re: [scribus] Bad text came back from the printer, but why?
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> When I open the pdf on my ubuntu PC I see the proper text.
>
>
What if you open the pdf on another computer? Becuase the PC you use have
the right fonts, so you wouldn't spot a non-embedded font issue on your own
PC.

You could for example do a small installation in a virtual machine under
Virtualbox, or even use a live CD to preview your PDF.

/Peter
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 11:08:40 +0200
From: Jonas Nilsson <imperativejonas at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [scribus] Bad text came back from the printer, but why?
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Or maybe just open the pdf on your phone?

// Jonas

Den 13 okt. 2016 10:57 AM skrev "Peter Nermander" <peter at nermander.se>:

> >
> >
> > When I open the pdf on my ubuntu PC I see the proper text.
> >
> >
> What if you open the pdf on another computer? Becuase the PC you use have
> the right fonts, so you wouldn't spot a non-embedded font issue on your own
> PC.
>
> You could for example do a small installation in a virtual machine under
> Virtualbox, or even use a live CD to preview your PDF.
>
> /Peter
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