[Scribus] Re: Questions to Gentium, Myriad Pro, and Minion Pro

[Marvin Dickens]

On Monday 30 May 2005 01:22 pm, Maciej Hanski wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2005 17:12:06 -0400
>
> Marvin Dickens <marvindickens at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > On Sunday 29 May 2005 02:06 pm, Maciej Hanski wrote:
> > > On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:21:36 +0200
> > >
> > > Christoph Sch?fer <christoph-schaefer at gmx.de> wrote:
> > > > Hi Maciej,
> > >
> > > ---CUT---------
> > >
> > > > > 3. Myriad Pro and Minion Pro: still much uncertainty about this
> > > > > two. I think if we convert text to paths or don't embed them and
> > > > > deliver our documents along with our Live DTP CD
> > > > > http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Live_DTP_CD to the printer,
> > > > > nobody is going to sue us. But they still deserve a big, fat
> > > > > warning until we know better.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrreula.html
> > > >
> > > > "[...]
> > > > Adobe permits you to Use the Software only in accordance with the
> > > > terms of this Agreement. Use of some third party materials
> > > > included in the Software may be subject to other terms and
> > > > conditions typically found in a separate license agreement or
> > > > "Read Me" file located near such materials
> > > >
> > > > 1. Definitions. "Software" means [...] (iii) fonts;
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > 2. Software License.  As long as you comply with the terms of this
> > > > Software License Agreement (this "Agreement"), Adobe grants to you
> > > > a non-exclusive license to Use the Software for the purposes
> > > > described in the Documentation.
> > > >
> > > > 2.1 General Use. You may install and Use a copy of the Software on
> > > > your compatible computer, up to the Permitted Number of computers.
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > 2.2.2 For information on how to distribute the Software on
> > > > tangible media or through an internal network please refer to the
> > > > sections entitled "How to Distribute Adobe Reader" at
> > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/distribute.html.
> > > >
> > > > 2.5 No Modification. You may customize or extend the functionality
> > > > of the installer for the Software as specifically allowed by
> > > > instructions
> > > >
> > > > found at http://www.adobe.com/support/main.html or
> > > > http://partners.adobe.com (e.g., installation of additional
> > > > plug-in and help files). You may not otherwise alter or modify the
> > > > Software or
> > > >
> > > > create a new installer for the Software. The Software is licensed
> > > > and distributed by Adobe for viewing, distributing and sharing PDF
> > > > files.***You are not authorized to integrate or use the Software
> > > > with any other software***, plug-in or enhancement which uses or
> > > > relies upon the Software when converting or transforming PDF files
> > > > into other file
> > > >
> > > > formats (e.g., a PDF file into a TIFF, JPEG, or SVG file). You are
> > > > not
> > > >
> > > > authorized to integrate or use the Software with any (a) plug-in
> > > > software not developed in accordance with the Adobe Integration
> > > > Key License Agreement or (b) other software or enhancement to
> > > > programmatically interface with the Software for the purpose of
> > > > (i) saving data locally (on the same Computer), except when
> > > > allowed through the use of Document Feature(s) that have been
> > > > activated using enabling technology from Adobe, (ii) creating a
> > > > file that contains data (e.g., an XML or comments file), or (iii)
> > > > saving modifications to a PDF file."
> > > >
> > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/distribute.html?readstep
> > > >
> > > > "Distributing Adobe Reader
> > > >
> > > > Please complete the Adobe_ Reader_ distribution request only if
> > > > you are interested in distributing Adobe Reader software via
> > > > internal Web site, CD, or other media, or are interested in
> > > > placing an "Includes Adobe Reader" logo on your printed material.
> > > > As an alternative, you may want to create a link on your CD
> > > > directly to the Adobe Reader download page. How to distribute
> > > > Adobe Reader software
> > > >
> > > > You may post Adobe Reader software on company intranet sites or
> > > > local networks. You may also distribute Adobe Reader on a CD or
> > > > any other physical media as long as you accept the terms and
> > > > conditions of the electronic Adobe Reader Distribution Agreement.
> > > > Complete the Adobe Reader Distribution Agreement
> > > >
> > > > Fill out the online request to distribute Adobe Reader.
> > > >
> > > > Once you are authorized to redistribute Adobe Reader, you also
> > > > will have access to the "Includes Adobe Reader" button for use on
> > > > printed materials."
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure what to make of it, so I sent an email to Adobe. I'll
> > > > tell you about their answer as soon as it is in.
> > >
> > > Hmm.
> > >
> > > If "Software means fonts" 1(iii)
> > >
> > > AND
> > >
> > > "You are not authorized to integrate or use the Software with any
> > > other software" 2.5
> > >
> > > THEN
> > >
> > > we cannot use these fonts in Scribus for free :(
> > >
> > > -----------
> > >
> > > Am I right? I hope not... Are there any lawyers on the list?
> > >
> > > M.
> >
> > I am no lawyer, however, the license clearly states they are free for
> > non-commercial use. So, you can use them as long as your not using
> > them in an money making enterprise. This license is restrictive, but
> > not as restrictive as the gpl is when applied to fonts.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Marvin
>
> Hi Marvin,
>
> well, the above licence clearly defines fonts as part of "the Software"
> and clearly forbids to use "the Software" with any other software. Could
> you point me to the clear statement, you are referring to? Do you mean
> the same licence as the abovementioned?

The way I read it is that it states you cannot embed them, but you can 
reference them. Of course, referencing them requires the fonts to be 
on the system of the document that is referencing them. Regarding my
original statement, I clearly did not read the license well and subsequently
shot my self in the foot with my post  :)

Best regards

Marvin Dickens
Alpharetta, Georgia  USA