[Scribus] Prefs>Miscellaneous ...

Louis Desjardins louis_desjardins
Wed Feb 15 22:04:21 CET 2006

Riku Leino a ?crit :

> Christoph Sch?fer wrote:
>>OK, sorry, I thought you wanted to add a check box to each tab or each
>>item. But i still can't see what would be won. The user would always need
>>to take care if "general" or "document" is selected. Having both options
>>clearly separated and clearly named/documented, is most likely less
>>confusing and "cleaner" IMHO.
> Exactly, I suppose i didn't make this clear enough. My suggestion was just to 
> make those Craig Ringer's static warnings have some function. There would 
> still be these two different preferences but one could also apply changes to 
> both by only editing a setting in one place.
> Think about a situation. If you want to make the default font for a text frame 
> to Adobe Caslon from Times New Roman.

May I open a parenthesis right here. What I have to say is just bit 
aside of this discussion... At the same time, we are right at the core 
of it. Sorry if this sounds paradoxal!

IMO, instead of the default font for a text frame it's a style we need 
here. A style that should be edited in the Style menu and set there as a 

Also, do all elements in the Prefs really belong there? Hyphenation and 
Typography (including baseline grid) settings could be part of Paragraph 
Styles. Thus, taken away from that dialog.

And are all elements in the Doc setup need to be there? What about PDF 
export and Preflight Verifier?

> 1. You have a document open where you'd like to apply this change.
> 2. You'll need to go to the "Document Setup" and there change the font.
>   --> applies only to the current document
> 3. You'll then need to go to the "Preferences" and make the exactly same 
> change.
> With my suggestion 2. and 3 can be made to a single step.
> 2 b) You only need to go to the "Document Setup" where you do the change and 
> then click on the "Warning Check box" which says "Apply also to the General 
> Preferences" and now clicking ok will also apply this new change in General 
> Prefs.

Isn't there a little quirk around the corner here? Once checked, will 
this box remains checked or will it go unchecked as a default and user 
will have to make the decision every time? Not sure.
> Here's the win. User only needs to do things in one place for minor changes 
> like this and won't get annoyed when he starts to work on a new doc and 
> notices that he forgot the step 3 originally and he now must do the steps 2. 
> and 3. again.

Back to the basic, if you allow!

1. I could not find what prevented the printing of off-margins elements. 
It was hidden into Miscellaneous. Could be just a bad wording case. This 
is the reason why I posted initially. Not even sure of what this became 
now! ;-)

2. Prefs are there to set the way you *generally* want to work. So I 
clearly understand that this is why we have this 2-head monster (joking 
here...) : it happens from time to time that you *particularly* need a 
different settings... So enters Document setup. What I think is wrong 
here it the 2 are so similar... and they go by different names, and the 
interface is the same... Every ingredient for confusion. Confused me 
anyway and even after all this discussion (not over yet!) and so many 
trips to one an the other, I still am not sure of what is where and 
where I am. "Confusion will be my epitaph"... (!)

3. Although I can deal with new ways, I am still not sure of what is 
wrong with the Quark approach. There is only one place to modify Prefs, 
in the Prefs dialog. This doesn't confuse me or any of my staff. We 
generally hit the "Keep document settings" button when opening a 
previously created document. If something has to be changed there, we 
fully know what we're doing.

4. The Prefs, by the way, is something we barely never open again, 
except to modify settings that affect the typography : 
superscript/subscript settings. Again, this settings belongs to Style, 
imsho. If QXP and ID are lousy on this one, what should we be?! :-)

5. I am again changing my mind (for now! always ready to hear some more 
ideas) :
A) If we want 2 dialogs
? *no* check box but a clear warning topping each dialog and saying just 
what you can expect to happen after hitting the OK button.
? New labelling, under the same overall menu (Edit?)
B) Otherwise, let's keep it as it was in 1.2 (was it?) : ? la Quark.
In any case, we can clean-up the tabs, gather stuff into styles and make 
the thing roar!

I would avoid at (almost) all cost duplicating the dialogs. A nice way 
to achieve this is through Styles.

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