[scribus] Nomenclature- Templates and Masters - English and German

[Mike Morris]

Page Nomenclature:

I am new to Scribus, and to this mailing list, but not to DTP.  I may be
entereing this discussion in the middle, so if I am my apologies.

I have been following the discussion on page nomenclature.  I also use Adobe
InDesign, Adobe FrameMaker, OpenOffice Writer and Microsoft Word.  I have,
in the past--a long time ago--used Quark.

Here is my understanding of the terms under discussion:

Template:  a collection of page (including master pages), paragraph and
character formatting commands.  A template is used for documents, and can
include graphics.  A template is designed to improve productivity when
creating repetitive documents (for example, a legal brief or a newsletter,
as only two examples).

Master Page:  a collection of paragraph and character formatting commands.
A master page can also included graphics, but it is designed to protect
repetitive design elements within a document whether the document is used
repetitively (such as a newsletter) or not.  A document may have multiple
master pages.

These distinctions hold true for InDesign and FrameMaker (at least in the US
versions).  It is my impression (I may be wrong), that this terminology has
become a defacto standard (again, in the US).  I realize that these
distinctions are somewhat blurred with the word processors (Word and
Writer), as they use "Master Documents" and/or Templates and do not have an
equivalent of Master Page.

My suggestion is that this terminology be retained; that is, do not
substitute new terms.  I expect both users and commercial printers will
appreciate the consistent terminology.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com> wrote:

> hjh at mail.fsub.de wrote:
> > - 'Master pages' = ? - continued, but more general -
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Hedley, developers and users:
> >
> >
> > A nomenclature is important for easy understanding. I suggest :
> >
> > Document:                             In comparison:
> >   Scribus                             OpenOffice
> >   English           - German          English          - German
> >
> >   templates         - Vorlage         Templates        -
> Dokumentenvorlage
> >
> >
> > Mastering the documents:
> >
> >   masters           - Matrizen        Styles+Formating - Formatvorlagen
> >
> >   page masters      - Seitenmatrizen  page styles      - Seitenvorlagen
> >   paragraph masters - Absatzmatrizen  paragrah styles  - Absatzvorlagen
> >   line masters      - Zeilenmatrizen
> >                                       list styles      - Listenvorlagen
> >                                       character styles - Zeichenvorlagen
> >                                       frame styles     - Rahmenvorlagen
> >
> > "master" is the perfect English term. The master masters a page, a
> paragraph,
> > etc.The Webster (edition 1994) says:
> >   3: controlling the operation of other mechanism (e.g. master cylinder)
> >   4: establishing a standard for reference (e.g. master gauge).
> >
> >
> > To use "page master" instead of "master page" stresses, what the
>  function
> > is, namely "mastering".
> >
> >
> Page master or master page, I think, may be a bit overstated. Perhaps
> Master Layer might be better, since that is closer to what it is - a
> separate layer over which other content can be placed. Pages are made up
> of one or more layers.
> > "master" means "ruling". There is no equivalent in German, I think,
> which
> > could we used here. In German "Mutter" (mother) is a possible solution,
> which
> > means "stems from" (e.g. Mutterbaum, Mutterpflanze). In the printing
> trade
> > there are in the German nomenclature two terms, that stem from Latin
> "mater",
> > (Mutter, mother):
> >
> >   1. Mater = a mould for a founding patterns for printing
> >              It was positive, as the printing block had to be negativ.
> >
> >   2. Matrize = a stencil, positive, the ink was pressed through or
> >                those, where the printing colour was imposed on the back
> >                and then used with a kind of alcohol for copying
> >
> > These techniques are gone. Laser copies or digital (offset) printing we
> use
> > instead. But we could save the term by using it.
> >
> > Of course we could use the same terms as OpenOffice. But scribus is a
> > professional tool and therefore we might / should use special terms.
> >
> > But anyway - "Musterseiten", the word I started off, is not an adequate
> > term: Either "Seitenvorlagen" oder -preferred- "Seitenmatrizen".
> >
> >
> > Does this mail reach the developers, too? I think, they are important
> > in coining terms.
> >
> At the moment, our resident linguist Christoph Schäfer is a bit
> disconnected due to computer problems. I would be interested in what he
> has to say about all this. At this point, we need to make changes
> carefully and as a whole somewhat reluctantly to avoid confusing the
> users.
>
> These are all good thoughts, though. Thank you.
>
> Greg
>
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